[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam,

Very impressive setup!
It looks most excellent.
I would try to distance the moe-joe cell a little farther away from the VARIAC and
from the wall outlet.

This, of course, doesn\’t affect the fact that you\’re blowing a 3A fuse.
You must have a short somewhere.
did you use all the nylon insulators inside of the cell to surround the threaded bolt going to the inner sphere?

[Moshe Daniel]

Richard von Raffay wrote:

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Hi Moshe
So my aim is to get the Moe Joe going as a healing device.

a very beautiful and noble endeavor mein freund.

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So I use also the little stainless steel washers according to your description 3a and 3 b in between the cells ? Because in your instruction on Youtube, you have omitted them.

hi Richard.
you need only to put the two smaller and narrow washers (3A) right against the outside of the 2\” hemispheres on both sides.
nothing on the 3\” and 4\”.
and then only on the very outside of the 5\”, to hold inside of the nut, you use the wider 3B washer.

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How long is the charging time and how often a day. Would a car batterie charger be ok or better only a car batterie ?

I definitely do not recommend the car battery charger… it is not a true DC.
it will not yield the best results at all.

Charging time – you can honestly charge at 12 Volts for long periods of time.
And often. bc you won\’t be getting very high current with only 12 volts.

but start with this.
charge 5 times / day at 10 minutes each time.

Let us know how that feels.

:woohoo:
ha ha!!

good for you!

Moshe

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Dear Moshe,

I made the device of Moe-Joe Cell as shown in the attached file (picture).

I followed Method 1 (- Conventional DC charging with VARIAC and bridge rectifier) to check it whether the brownish \”scum\” is formed or not.

But, I could not do this work because the fuse (3A) is out/disordered everytime when I turn on the VARIAC controlled around 60-80 Volt.
In the manuel (Instructions in your website), \”Adjust the Voltage on the VARIAC to around 60-80 volts AC, so that the current reads close to 1 AMP\”.
But in my experiment, 3A fuse is disordered when I turn on the VARIAC controlled around 60-80 Volt.
I guess that the setted Current (AMP) is much higher than 1 AMP. I found the current is (at least) more than >3 AMP.

I used VARIAC with 1 KVA capacity (and with 4.2A). When I turn on this VARIAC with 1 KVA the fuse is out/disordered immediately.

Hi Jung Nam.
This is much too high a current.
Something is wrong.
You may be having a short somewhere.
Can you please take a picture of your setup and post it here?

Unless you dump a whole lot of KOH or salt into the cell, you shouldn\’t be getting anywhere near that high a current.

What i suspect may be happening is that the cathode (that is the steel bolt which goes into the centre and the bismuth core) is not insulated at the top and it is causing a short near the outer 5\” male hemisphere.
please show me your setup in a picture.

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So, I want to know the value of electricity (electric power) in the Moe-Joe Cell to operate it well. (I think 1KVA of VARIAC is not enough to work it.)
I mean that I want to know the electricity capacity (KVA) of VARIAC to use it without fuse-out/off.
(How much of electric power should I use the VARIAC to operate it nomally ? , Which electric power (KVA) of VARIAC should I use ?)

Okay. So the answer to this is that you want around 1 amp with this method of running with a VARIAC. It depends on the concentration of ions in the water.
normally, natural spring water requires between 70-100 volts to get to 1amp.
BE CAREFUL! this is high voltage.

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And also, I want to know how much gram should I add water into the Moe-Joe Cell sphere.
To check the apperance of scum (or bubbling) on the water, I added 780 g of distilled water into Moe-Joe Cell sphere (I filled 2/3 volume of Moe-Joe Cell sphere approximatly.)
Please let me know about this also.

i normally add very close to 1 Litre, which would be around 1000 grams of water.

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So, because of this problem (fuse disorder problem), now I am using two of 1.5V battery connected to Moe-Joe Cell to check scum or bubble out on the water surface. Is it ok to work like this using battery?

that is okay. you will not produce any scum or bubbles at this low a voltage, but you will experience some field around the cell.
you can also use 12V car or boat battery too. it will make a nice field.
not many bubbles though.
and don\’t forget – bubbles is not necessary to see.
it is the field which counts.

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I want to know the value of voltage which I should connect to Moe-Joe Cell to check the phenomenon of scum or bubble occurrence on the water. (If possible, what is the optium voltage for this?)

you do not want to see any brown scum.
bubbles are also not necessary but to see bubbles, you need 1 amp –
it is the amperage which is making the bubbles, not voltage, really.
because it depends on the resistance of the water.
for instance, i once collected rainwater which was very pure.
even at 130 volts, i could not get more than 150mA – and still had very low water.

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Additionally, in my opinion, if bubbling is happened, the gas amount might be calculated.
So, I tried it as shown in the attached picture (connected bubble flow meter to check the gas flow from Moe-Joe Cell). But, I could not find the gas flow until now. Could you comment about this ?
I want to do this experiment it EXACTLY.
Please give me nice answer or comment for my question.

I did not see any image attached.
Please try to attach again.

Gam sa hap nee da.

Moshe

[Moshe Daniel]

Nathaniel Morales wrote:

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Is secret fire just nitre then?

Nitre is involved in an aspect of secret fire.
There is more to secret fire than just nitre.

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So what would happen to that person who is able to do the inner alchemy, would they be considered to be enlightened? As in being love?

everyone is able to do inner alchemy. it doesn\’t make one enlightened.
When one has mastered the balance of sol and luna, then perhaps, they are enlightened, and yes, BEING love is a most high state of enlightenment.

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Also how would someone know if they are ready to make the PS by following those principles of male and female? How would they think?

I am not sure i understand the question.

[Moshe Daniel]

Nathaniel Morales wrote:

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Ok. So if in alchemy they would usually talk about secret fire / spiritus mundi which is made by union of both polarities, how does that work for inner alchemy? We\’re not talking about kundalini yoga stuff…so what exactly is inner alchemy?

For starters, I do not think that secret fire is the same as spiritus mundi. perhaps you weren\’t implying that.

Inner alchemy is the same process as what you described –
union of both polarities, and letting go / transforming / calcining away all thoughts, and energies and behaviours that get in the way of total union and harmony between the inner sol and luna or male and female.

[Moshe Daniel]

Nathaniel Morales wrote:

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Ok Moshe,

I found this on an old alchemyforum site, im quoting Green Lion,

we do not have the Truth concerning alchemy as long as we do not have the Philosopher\’s Stone.[/color]

I would like to know what you think about the highlighted blue color,
If we dont know the truth of the philosophers stone then we wont have the PS? ok.,…So if God only gives the PS then why would there be a stone of the devil?i\’m not sure if im wording this question right. i\’ll edit it later.

Hi Nathaniel,

I do agree that the Philosopher\’s Stone must impact, via the most profound healing and transformation from the Universal Medicine one can make with it, the alchemist to then have true knowledge of what the Philosopher\’s Stone truly is. It\’s like arriving at a location on Earth to then discover how to get there. Whereas, I also see the journey of creating the PS about taking steps of continual opening and improvement – where one\’s Lab productions continue to improve which continues to transform and heal the alchemist who then makes greater medicines in the lab, and so on and so forth, until Adept-hood is achieved.

There is no such thing as a stone of the devil, only a stone of God that is corrupted by the alignment of energies with evil / desire for power / greed, all energies certainly aligned with the devil. The Philosopher\’s Stone, being a Stone that banishes evil, cannot be created by or for the devil, only can God\’s Stone be corrupted by evil, which would only serve to diminish it and render it a vile thing and not much like it\’s true nature, but still perhaps with some power of transmutation or longevity, but not spiritual purification and openness of Heart.

[Moshe Daniel]

Nathaniel Morales wrote:

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Hi Moshe, and everyone,
What would Inner alchemy have to do with Laboratory alchemy?

Hi Nathaniel,

For a true alchemist, (ie – not an archemist), the inner alchemy is a reflection of the lab alchemy. Or rather, the lab alchemy becomes a reflection of the inner alchemy. The ultimate goal for an alchemist is the liberation from this world of duality and slavery. The lab alchemy is a means to an end.
One\’s understanding of the Nature of the Universe progresses because of the inner alchemy. this, then, is applicable in the lab. Then with the progress of understanding, the lab work improves, which helps transform the consciousness of the alchemist, which then enables him/her to reach greater degrees in the lab, and so on and so forth goes the process until the alchemist arrives at the True Stone and the true universal medicine. (of course, there are also levels beyond this as well… it doesn\’t end at the Stone, but it surely is a great milestone.

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Say if someone understood natures proccess and the elements,
male female, and condensation of spiritus mundi in the physical world,
what would this have to do with the inside of the alchemist?

It is more that an understanding of the inner alchemy would then allow the alchemist to grasp the mysteries of male-female and spiritus mundi.

[Moshe Daniel]

Cool Rob.
I also notice an enhanced energy in the room with the vortexer.
our water tastes better too, after vortexing.
We have a slight sulphur and metallic taste from our artesian well.
After vortexing for a few hours, the taste is gone and the water is very
easy to drink – feels softer, and it\’s very easy to absorb.
all those microclusters in the water are broken down to pure H2O.

Somewhat unrelated, but nevertheless cool, video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FA2H1HiL3o

[Moshe Daniel]

Nathaniel Morales wrote:

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Well the bubbles look like just air bubbles not soapy kind. Earlier today I sat next to the cell when I connected it, I felt like chi in my chest and stomach area. Since I practice doaist breathing but not sure if it was because of the cell that I felt a burst of energy. I was just sitting there thinking, so I can\’t really say what it was.

that seems like an appropriate response to the orgone generated by the moe-joe cell. so yeah, good! you should grow more sensitive to it and feel it more deeply.

[Moshe Daniel]

Nathaniel Morales wrote:

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i charge it for 5 min 2 or 3 times a day.

that\’s good!
keep it up.
let us know if you feel the field building.

are you still seeing some bubbles there?

[Moshe Daniel]

Nathaniel Morales wrote:

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Ok so I got the cell to charge. Not sure what pray for. Yea.
Is it possible to pray to receive dreams about certain information?

yes, of course. remember, you can pray for anything you would pray for ordinarily. So, could you pray to receive revealing / informative dreams? yes!

To me, that is a noble prayer. not that any prayer is wrong / bad, but that is certainly a noble prayer.

[Moshe Daniel]

Nathaniel Morales wrote:

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Ok. Moshe, I bought a car battery and connected it to the cell. I heard the bubble noise or it sounded like boiling water. I saw little bubbles but only a few. Do More bubbles appear after each charge? I did not feel anything tho. I just need to cover the bolt on top better

Nathaniel,
that\’s good.
for feeling the energy of the cell: give it some time.
with each subsequent charging, the water will get stronger with orgone, and the field will build up.

how long are you charging for?

yeah, covering the bolt at the top is important for maintaining the proper field.

[Moshe Daniel]

gerard dahan wrote:

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How about replacing the coolant in the engine with treated water?
I read somewhere that treated water will not freeze until -30Celius.

The water won\’t freeze at the regular temperature. it will freeze colder. but i don\’t think as low as -30oC. that is pushing it. maybe -5oC and POSSIBLY, -10oC – depending on HOW charged the water is.

the idea is a good idea to replace the coolant with charged water. it is along the lines of what Robert Hull does with the Hull effect, which also involces placing a wire from the cell into the engine oil.
I will place a post up soon about how to do that.

[Moshe Daniel]

gerard dahan wrote:

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How much time with each grit?

you\’ll notice when the sandpaper of a certain grit is no longer doing anything. then it\’s time to move to the next, finer, for a brighter and cleaner polish.

[Moshe Daniel]

gerard dahan wrote:

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How about inclosing the bismuth for instance into a copper or ssteel vessel in between the threaded rods.

I wouldn\’t put steel into the centre with the core. it\’s not the right energy for the core.
the copper could work if it was coated / insulated in silicone since, it erodes quickly in the electrical situation of the cell.

I like the copper suggestion and will consider how to implement it. thank you Gerard.