[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Hello, 🙂

I am curious about the orgone energy to increase fuel efficiency with Moe-Joe Cell Car Kit.

What is orgone energy?
I mean.. What is the definition of orgone energy?

Hi Jung-Nam,

check out this definition and do a little searching around on your own.
Orgone is the basic universal life energy similar to Ki, Chi, Prana, from other cultures. the name was developed by Wilhelm Reich.

Orgone Wikihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone

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In case of Moe-Joe Cell,,
What is the reason of increased fuel efficiency when we install the Moe-Joe Cell Car Kit on gasoline powered Vehicle?

This is a good question, but rather large in the possible explanations.

On my website,
I propose this following explanation, but would love to hear from others what they believe is behind the fuel mileage improvement and enhanced engine performance using the moe-joe cell and joe cell.

It is amazing and fascinating to understand that we are reproducing the very essence of the balanced positive nature of reality itself with the Moe-Joe cell. The inner female sphere is perfectly surrounded by the male. The magnetic fields created by the application of the electrical current is created at 90 degrees from the electrical field. But if we are applying the electricity to a sphere, then the resultant magnetic field is placed precisely where the sphere is… This means that we are essentially creating a MAGNET which is SPHERICAL in nature. The impact of this is tremendous on healing and free energy application, as the spherical magnet, with its magnetic neutral centre, which is the centre shared by both the male and the female spheres, has a neutral centre that is tapped into the Zero Point Field. This is very powerful to bring the consciousness of the human being and the planet at large back into the state of original balance from where we come. (See more on the Sphinx Sphere for an even further evolved Moe-Joe cell involving alchemical precious metals for optimizing the design of the Moe-Joe cell)

Taking the Next STEP into the THEORETICAL IDEA of What Powers the Moe-Joe cell:

The electricity that goes into the spheres (of the Moe-Joe cell) creates a magnetic field that surrounds the water that is inside the midst of the cell. The water, being diamagnetic, is surrounded and has to create a magnetic field in the \”opposite / repulsional\” direction. It cannot, since it is surrounded, so it \”implodes\” upon itself, and creates a field on the \”other side of reality.\” This to me, generates positronium electrons – or electrons on the \”other side\” – antimatter – which seeks the high ignition voltage spark in the piston instantaneously and merges with electrons there to create a big explosion of implosion or matter and antimatter annihilating each other.

In the Moe-Joe kits , I have included the bismuth centre which enhances the diamagnetism of the centre greatly, and is a tremendous item to have there in the centre.

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And also, when we install a Moe-Joe Cell, Is it better that we connect it near engine ? If so what is the reason to get higher fuel efficiency when we connect or inject it into tube near engine?

Please let me know about these thing..

yes, near the engine is good, but some distance from the alternator is important too.
The tube focuses or concentrates the orgone / neutrinos / whatever is produced by the cell into the area which is where the magic happens.

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Dear Moshe,

Thank you for kind reply..

Recently, I have charged the ground water during several days (more than 6 days) with 1 amps to apply to car kit.
When I analyse it there are Fe, Cr, Ni components in charged water even though I could not know the concentration of components.

That sounds pretty normal. yes. those are the elements of the stainless steel and they will come out into the water during charging.

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To understand and install Moe-Joe Cell for Car kit, I have checked the viedo \”Water Car Moe-Joe Cell Car Installation Video\” in the website.
I just understand a little bit, the connection part of Moe-Joe Cell into Air intake line. I could not understand it clearly… My question is related on O2 sensor at installation of Moe-Joe Cell. There is an explanation about O2 sensor in the video. I can not understand it clearly.
Should I rearrange or fix O2 sensor line or O2 sensor device ?
If not, does it happens, something wrong?
I want to know it exactly before Moe-Joe Cell installation of car kit.

In your website, \”\”This Video Contains instructions on how to assemble the Moe-Joe Cell and Install into the Car via VACUUM intake, and also demonstrates how to get under the car and locate the catalytic converter and the O2 sensors. (note: in this video, we chose a method we are no longer employing the use of – We hooked the two rear O2 sensors together and then we also hooked up the front two O2 sensors together – Also, we are no longer using the Cell Guardian. It DOES NOT WORK – it is a scam. We are sorry if this has misled anyone. The good results we got were exclusively from the Moe-Joe working, and NOT the Cell Guardian… \”\”

These sentences confuse me.. Please let me know the installation method of Moe-Joe Cell for Car kit to understand it easier..

ok. so here is a summary of what this all means.

There was a guy who was selling a device called a Cell Guardian to try to fix the O2 sensor problem with the cell. it didn\’t work. in fact, it was a total scam.
so I warm people, not to do it. since then, I have tried several other devices and setups to try to \”trick\” the O2 sensors during the operation of the moe-joe cell, but so far, I have not found anything that actually helps or works.
So, for now, do not worry about the oxygen sensors.

The next idea is a new idea, which is easier and may even be better, i believe, than using the vacuum air intake. it is definitely better than using the Air intake.
it is using the (PCV) valve intake. I have found this to be an easy way to connect the cell to the engine.

Locate the PCV valve on your car. it is easy to remove the tube that connects to it.
buy a T valve connector (like this:

then connect your moe-joe cell tube to one end and back into the PCV valve.
this is the easiest way I have found to do it and the energy of the moe-joe cell get sucked right into the engine at a good spot!

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that is great.
I wonder if he grew from the bions!

Wilhelm Reich would be proud!!

Moshe

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Richard von Raffay wrote:

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Hi ! I do not understand : from where to where one should insulate the bolt ? Does it mean that the stainless steel from the bismuth core should not be exposed to the water at all ?

hi Richard, good question.
the stainless steel bolt from the bismuth core should only be exposed to the water in the very inside of the moe-joe cell. there should be no contact with the water on the outside of the cell. i have used shrink wrap to prevent this from happening. but there are other ways too!

Look in this video to see how the bolt coming out is insulated at the top (it\’s a very old video – but it does illustrate a good insulation and a VERY high surface tension.

Video

[Moshe Daniel]

Richard von Raffay wrote:

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Hi Moshe,
thanks for telling about charging times, why so little as 5 x 10 Min. why not 24 hours?

you want to excite the water. it doesn\’t take too long.
the lower the voltage you use, the longer you can charge, but it is not really necessary. one has to develop some sensitivity to the energy of the water and then you can get an idea of how long to do it.

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Second question.I have put the Moe Joe in a glass vase and covered right the top of the moe joe with good water. Is that right? Do I refill, if its evaporates ?

yes, Richard, that is right.
you shouldn\’t have to add too much too often, but if you notice it goes down, then adding water is the right thing to do. Please note, however, that this will \”decrease\” the energy of the moe-joe cell water… that is, by adding fresh uncharged water.

:blink:

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Hi Moshe,

My question is… This is an assumption. If some silicone part covered bismuth core was peeled a little bit. so, if bismuth core was contacted with water a little bit. Can Bismuth core material reach out into water and can it form any scum or particle? Is it possible to form?

yes, in that case, for certain. Bismuth core, if exposed to water, will produce a lot of brown scum.

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And you said that yellow discoloration is Ni and Fe components coming into the water.
So, I want to do the analysis of this filtered solution components. and also, I want to analyze the filtered solid. Have you ever done the analyasis of this solution and solid? If you give me more information or comment about this, it will be better for my analysis. Please just let me know… 🙂

I haven\’t done such an analysis. it would be very helpful information to know.
Please keep us posted.

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Finally, I can use the filtered yellow charged water for healing or car kit after several charge and filter cycles, Is it right?

yes, that is right.
but do not drink the water.
you can use it to place on or near the body with items that channel the energy to the person from the water, like an orgone accumulator \”shooter box\”

look at this picture – you could put a tube into the water and then \”shoot\” the orgone energy into the desired area of the body.
Also, you can take a very small amount of the water and then dilute it with fresh drinking water and then vortex them together.

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Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Hi Moshe,
Thank you so much for your nice comments…
I did the water charging with 1 amp during 2.5 day with VARIAC (Method 1).

I poured the water inside Moe-Joe Cell out. and I found that yellow some particles exist in water. I guess that it come from some Bismuth core.. is it right?

no. the bismuth core shouldn\’t create any scum because it is coated in goop / silicone and is not in contact with the water.
that yellow discoloration is due to nickle and iron coming into the water.

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In official web site, you mentioned \”Charge for 1-3 minutes 4-6 times /day until the water gets filled with a brownish, orangy fluffy \”scum.\” then filter the water, using 2 Blue Shop towels (available at Home Depot)\”

I attached the picture. Could you tell me whether it is a brownish, orangy fluffy scum or not? If not what is this? Do you think my experiment is something wrong. Please let me know..

your scum looks good. :laugh:
just fine.

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After this water charge, I did filter it. I got filtered yellow color solution. Is it right? So, I am recharging this filtered yellow color solution for second charge. Is it right?
If I did charge it again do you think this yellow some particles in water is not formed?

the yellow coloured solution after filtering is totally fine and normal.
yes and you will charge that for second charge. yes.
you will probably continue to see scum forming in the water.
it is normal when you charge at high amperage.
lower amps you will not see so much scum.

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And also I just want to share my AC–>DC converting compact device!

Thank you so much
Awaiting your reply.

very very nice setup.
Very neat.
you have your bridge rectifier, then your capacitor.
nice work Jung-Nam.

After trying this for a while, you can later use a battery and compare.

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Owen Green wrote:

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Hi,
I\’m assembling my Moe Joe cell and have polished the spheres prior to assembly. I polished them with \”Brasso\”. Is there any need to wash them before continuing the assembly?
Thanks,
Oldmanowen

Hi Owen,
This was written quite a long time ago. I think it slipped through the cracks and I never replied.

The answer is, yes, I would wash them (For future reference) –
any impurity can interfere slightly or a lot, depending on how much and what it is.

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Hi Moshe,

Thank you very much for your kind reply..

You said that \”very very low would be 0.01 amps, like 10 mA.
0.1 amps = 100 mAs and it is low, but not very very low.\”

I measured the currents with different controlled volatage that Moe-Joe Cell device with connected conventional DC charging with VARIAC and bridge rectifyer – Method 1, which is added ground water in Moe-Joe Cell.
When I set AC 33.9V(VARIAC controlling), (converted final DC voltage (with a capacitor) is 39.2V)the current was 1 AMP.
So, I am doing the water charging experiment (5times per day, 1time : charging 5min and then off 2hr) under this condition. (I think that it is not convenient due to on and off everytime.. I mean not continuing.. That\’s why I am asking.. below.. questions)

In my measurment, when I set AC 10V the current was 0.06 amp.
I think that this 0.06 amps is low or very low value as you meantioned it above.
When I set 5V the current was 0.002 amp. This must be very very low..

So, my questions are…
Instead of 1AMP run on and off (5times per day), can I do the experiment using low value 0.06 amp controlled VARIA C- Method 1 for water charging continuously WITHOUT on and off. Is it ok? Is it possible to charge the water contineously under low current using Method 1? What is the recommendable (low or very very low)current values for contineous water charging?

Jung-Nam,
You are asking me these questions as if I am the all-knowing master on these matters. I really am not. There is really no such thing.
This is a science and an art. there is knowledge, yes, true, but there is also experience and sensitivity. Each setup is quite different from the other.
if you have problems, like in the beginning with using the electricity wrong, then we can help. but you are asking precise details of exact methodology and you must really find the way yourself.
You have asked questions – and the answer is – yes, and yes, but also, it depends.
try doing some experimenting and look for the results.
this way, you will begin to learn yourself and it is more valuable than me giving you all the answers.

however, one thing i do want to tell you –
if you are using low voltage, you might as well use pure DC from batteries, because
using rectified AC to DC is not pure DC and the cells respond better to pure DC from batteries. ok?

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Also,I get 0.01 amp using the convetional battery with, for example, 7V, is it also ok to use for contineous(long run) water charging without off time ? Or is it better using lower current than 0.01 amp by choosing conventional battery such as 3V etc.?
Have you ever done using conventional battery with 3V or 1.5V for water charging? (If you have a experience, please let me know the period for water charging.)

I have used the lowest battery was 9V.
1.5 volts is only to hold the residual voltage across the cell, not really to charge. however, look at Chris McGuire\’s setup here – Moe Joe cell Forum post

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And I have watched surface tention viedo 1 and 2 which you linked last reply. Thank you for this viedo.
By the way, In this case, what was the water charging conditions on the result in this viedos approximately? Times, Current, Method etc.?

It was quite a long time ago.
It was using pure pure spring water from the earth and very low current with 12V battery, charging like 20-30minutes at a time, a few times / day.

Plus a lot of meditation and feeling around the water.

Be well my friend!

감사합니다

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Hi, Moshe,

Thank you very much for kind reply.

In your comments, you said that \”so start small and observe the water.
feel the water. do you sense the energy in the water?
do you see an increase in surface tension?\”
I want to know how to feel and observe the charged water in detail.
for example, If I touch it, can I feel the charged water a little sticky ?
How can I sense the energy in the water? How can I see or feel it?

Every person can feel the energy in the water differently.
Some people feel cold, some heat, some like a \”breeze of cool air\”, some feel little electricity impulses like static. so you have to play around with it and see if you can feel it. Please note – this is feeling the water energetically! NOT putting the hand inside of the water. that is a different story.

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and also how to know increase of surface tension.

watch these two videos –
http://www.moe-joe-working.com/Moe-Joe-Cell/moe-joe_surface_tension.MOV

http://www.moe-joe-working.com/Moe-Joe-Cell/moe-joe_surface_tension2.MOV

you can see the increase of surface tension.
This is very very high surface tension.

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And, if the scum on the water surface occurs, have the water been charged a little bit?

scum just means scum. dirt. nothing else.

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And also you said that \”you may also need to filter the water if it forms scum.\”
After I finish the charging of water, if it forms scums, to remove the scum on the water, can I use a conventional filter paper with shape of round type? Is it right?

go to this page here:
http://www.moe-joe-working.com/Moe-Joe-Cell/moe_joe_cell_charging.html
or do a search in the forum for filtering the water. i think we already had these questions.

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And also you said that \”if you\’re getting very very very low amps with the 16.6V then you can leave it on a long time, yes.\”
I will check the current during the experiment, what is the value of very very very low amps? 0.01 amp? or 0.1 amp? please let me know the range of very very very low amp.

very very low would be 0.01 amps, like 10 mA.
0.1 amps = 100 mAs and it is low, but not very very low.

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Dear Moshe, Sir,

Thank you for kind reply..

Finally, I have a success about bubbling formation!

that\’s great. congratulations.

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Another questions is below…

You mentioned that \”yes, you can use baking soda also to increase the current.
then, you must use shorter charging times.
don\’t charge longer than 3-5 minutes at a time.\”

I have set up Moe-Joe Cell device with connected conventional DC charging with VARIAC and bridge rectifyer – Method 1, which I showed last time. And I set 80V to check observation of bubbles. (now I do not know the exact current, I just expect 1 AMP approximately, I will check it carefully later.) I found that the bubbles from Moe-Joe Cell come out onto water surface in the platic water vessle.
If I do water charging for healing or for kit enhancer of car fuel efficiency, should I do turn on during 3 min and turn off – this cycles-5 times per a day using Method 1 system controlled 80V?

yes. that is fine.

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If I do like this I expect that the electric charge (voltage) power will be decreased until next electric charge. That is why I do charge it again. Is it right?

it doesn\’t lose voltage that fast. the residual voltage you can measure across the cell will decrease will time, but the water does maintain a charge of orgone for longer than you think. what you are doing by charging more times is increasing the amount of orgone. this is something that takes some experience and sensitivity to feel and to experience. you can also charge too much, you know.
so start small and observe the water.
feel the water. do you sense the energy in the water?
do you see an increase in surface tension?

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Anyway, can I do like this using Method 1 for water charging? If so, How long does it takes to get full healing effect for full water charging? for exampls, 1day or 3 days?? In this case, during overnight should I turn off the power as I sleep in? And I turn on in the morning. Is it right? please let me know about this..

it will take more than 1 day. it will take around 3-4 days to get full healing effect of water. you may also need to filter the water if it forms scum.

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And also, you mentioned that it is important to do the water charging at lower voltage (12~20V)than high voltage to see bubbling.
So, I want to try it using conventional battery with 16.6V. If I use this battery can I trun on battery 24 hour without off-time? I mean that is it needed overnight off time?

you can play around with charging times.
if you\’re getting very very very low amps with the 16.6V then you can leave it on a long time, yes.

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and in this case, how long should I maintain to turn on for water charging to get healing or enhancing something effect? for examples 1day or 3day??
Thank you so much.
Awaiting your reply..

even 1 day, you will get enhanced healing effect.
but 2 days, probably more.
3 days, more.
but then you may find it is too much. so you have to observe and feel the water.

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Thank you for your kind helps.

Another question is below..

I used the distilled water for water changing. Is it ok? Is it possible that it flows the current in distilled water?

no. distilled water has no electrolytes. it\’s resistance to electrical conductivity is much too high to work.

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What kind of water can you recommend it?

spring water is the best from a beautiful, clear spring in the mountains or hills.
example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Willow_Creek,_Trout_Creek_Mountains,_Oregon.jpg
or especially a source of water that comes up out of the ground.

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Is it possible to use tap water for checking the bubbles or water charging? (instead of distilled water) (I heard that the current can flow in tap water. but it does not flow in distilled water.) Because I cannot get spring water.

oh. i see. if you use tap water, you want to make it LIVE.
see my posts on my water vortexer here:
Moshe\’s Water vortexer

you need to bring the water back to life, then you can use tap water.

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(Last time when you answer my question, you mentioned … KOH … .)
If I use NaHCO3(baking soda) solution, what happens? Is it also possible to use it for checking bubbles?

yes, you can use baking soda also to increase the current.
then, you must use shorter charging times.
don\’t charge longer than 3-5 minutes at a time.

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To make 1 AMP, which one should I select to use between tap water and NaHCO3 solution if possible.

yes. this is possible.

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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You said that \” it is better to put the nylon cap over the head of the +ve bolt on the inside of the 5\” hemisphere. it will keep all the electricity insulated only to the 5\” hemisphere and not to the head of the bolt, which would otherwise make it the closest element to the inner 2\” -ve sphere.\”

I cannot understand all your reply. Could you tell me more easily? A nylon cap cannot be fixed on + stainless bolt on the inside of the biggest hemisphere. (I mean that A nylon cap cannot be caught in head of the + stainless bolt by itself. I mean that The fitting size is different.)

yes Jung-Nam, you are correct.
the fitting size is different, but if you use just a little goop or silicone gel, you can fix it to the head of the bolt and it will stay.

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I just can add a nylon nut in + stainless bolt on the inside of the biggest hemisphere. Can I do like this?

No! Definitely not. if you do this you will block so that the electricity cannot touch the inside of the 5\” sphere. you want the head of the bolt to touch directly with the inside of the 5\” sphere and also then, after, cap it with the white nylon cap, using a little glue / goop / silicone gel.

Happy New Year to you too!

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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I think that our VARIAC and wire etc. are ok. Only problem is something wrong inside Moe-Joe Cell concerning a electric short. To solve the short problem, we checked the electrical esistant (ohms).

There is a short problem somewhere. So, we seperated all part of Moe-joe Cell.
After that, we checked the electrical resistant (Ohms) as shown in the picture. (Please see attached zip file.)

What is the electrical resistant (Ohms) value of Bismuth core connected with thread stainless rod?
our measurment value was 0.480 M ohms (or 0.480 ~ 0.920 M ohms)((indicating that the current cannot flow. is it right?)).
But, in case of after assembling of smallest spacers (closed), the value of Ohms was 2~9 ohms. (It means that the current can flow. Is it right?) What is the ohms value for this case ?

I want to know the value of the electrical resistant (Ohms) in case ofyour measurement.

it is not important.

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I also found that there is something wrong.
As shown in the attached picture, + part stainless rod is not fixed.
It means + part rod was turned around by itself when I screw + rod.

as i stated, this is also the negative rod. the entire rod, top and bottom, is negative. do not attach +ve onto this.
if it turns, it is because the bismuth is very soft metal.
you have to treat gently.
i am working on improved design.
you can add a little more goop and let it dry (harden) if you like.

Thank you. 감사합니다.(= Gam sa hap nee da.)

P.S. – Jung-Nam, if you attach more images please attach them as JPG and not as ZIP file. you can embed the image right into the forum message.
they have to be less than 800pixels in width.

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Thank you.

I still did not solve the high current problem.
Please check the picture attached for your question whether i understand it about your question or not.(you question is that \”did you use all the nylon insulators inside of the cell to surround the threaded bolt going to the inner sphere?\”)

Yes, There is a electric short(short?) when I connect it in the my wrong condition of high current. So I connected the fuse in the wire. But the fuse is disordered when I turn on due to high current as I mentioned previous question (several question).

my friend i believe we found out the problem.
thanks to this picture you have just shared.
where you circled in Red, this is the +ve.
the entire threaded rod, both top and bottom, that goes to the Bismuth core,
that is the negative.
if you place the +ve on the top of the bismuth core threaded rods, and the negative on the bottom, you will get a short… VERY high current.

so, now you have solved the problem.
put the +ve on the small arm which is circled in red in your picture,
and the negative goes on the bottom of the bismuth core threaded rod.
you can also do the top of the threaded rod, but it is better on the bottom.

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