Several questions

[Jung-Nam Park]

Dear Moshe,

I made the device of Moe-Joe Cell as shown in the attached file (picture).

I followed Method 1 (- Conventional DC charging with VARIAC and bridge rectifier) to check it whether the brownish \”scum\” is formed or not.

But, I could not do this work because the fuse (3A) is out/disordered everytime when I turn on the VARIAC controlled around 60-80 Volt.
In the manuel (Instructions in your website), \”Adjust the Voltage on the VARIAC to around 60-80 volts AC, so that the current reads close to 1 AMP\”.
But in my experiment, 3A fuse is disordered when I turn on the VARIAC controlled around 60-80 Volt.
I guess that the setted Current (AMP) is much higher than 1 AMP. I found the current is (at least) more than >3 AMP.

I used VARIAC with 1 KVA capacity (and with 4.2A). When I turn on this VARIAC with 1 KVA the fuse is out/disordered immediately.
So, I want to know the value of electricity (electric power) in the Moe-Joe Cell to operate it well. (I think 1KVA of VARIAC is not enough to work it.)
I mean that I want to know the electricity capacity (KVA) of VARIAC to use it without fuse-out/off.
(How much of electric power should I use the VARIAC to operate it nomally ? , Which electric power (KVA) of VARIAC should I use ?)

And also, I want to know how much gram should I add water into the Moe-Joe Cell sphere.
To check the apperance of scum (or bubbling) on the water, I added 780 g of distilled water into Moe-Joe Cell sphere (I filled 2/3 volume of Moe-Joe Cell sphere approximatly.)
Please let me know about this also.

So, because of this problem (fuse disorder problem), now I am using two of 1.5V battery connected to Moe-Joe Cell to check scum or bubble out on the water surface. Is it ok to work like this using battery?
I want to know the value of voltage which I should connect to Moe-Joe Cell to check the phenomenon of scum or bubble occurrence on the water. (If possible, what is the optium voltage for this?)
Additionally, in my opinion, if bubbling is happened, the gas amount might be calculated.
So, I tried it as shown in the attached picture (connected bubble flow meter to check the gas flow from Moe-Joe Cell). But, I could not find the gas flow until now. Could you comment about this ?

I want to do this experiment it EXACTLY.

Please give me nice answer or comment for my question.

Thank you.

Awaiting your reply…

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Dear Moshe,

I made the device of Moe-Joe Cell as shown in the attached file (picture).

I followed Method 1 (- Conventional DC charging with VARIAC and bridge rectifier) to check it whether the brownish \”scum\” is formed or not.

But, I could not do this work because the fuse (3A) is out/disordered everytime when I turn on the VARIAC controlled around 60-80 Volt.
In the manuel (Instructions in your website), \”Adjust the Voltage on the VARIAC to around 60-80 volts AC, so that the current reads close to 1 AMP\”.
But in my experiment, 3A fuse is disordered when I turn on the VARIAC controlled around 60-80 Volt.
I guess that the setted Current (AMP) is much higher than 1 AMP. I found the current is (at least) more than >3 AMP.

I used VARIAC with 1 KVA capacity (and with 4.2A). When I turn on this VARIAC with 1 KVA the fuse is out/disordered immediately.

Hi Jung Nam.
This is much too high a current.
Something is wrong.
You may be having a short somewhere.
Can you please take a picture of your setup and post it here?

Unless you dump a whole lot of KOH or salt into the cell, you shouldn\’t be getting anywhere near that high a current.

What i suspect may be happening is that the cathode (that is the steel bolt which goes into the centre and the bismuth core) is not insulated at the top and it is causing a short near the outer 5\” male hemisphere.
please show me your setup in a picture.

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So, I want to know the value of electricity (electric power) in the Moe-Joe Cell to operate it well. (I think 1KVA of VARIAC is not enough to work it.)
I mean that I want to know the electricity capacity (KVA) of VARIAC to use it without fuse-out/off.
(How much of electric power should I use the VARIAC to operate it nomally ? , Which electric power (KVA) of VARIAC should I use ?)

Okay. So the answer to this is that you want around 1 amp with this method of running with a VARIAC. It depends on the concentration of ions in the water.
normally, natural spring water requires between 70-100 volts to get to 1amp.
BE CAREFUL! this is high voltage.

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And also, I want to know how much gram should I add water into the Moe-Joe Cell sphere.
To check the apperance of scum (or bubbling) on the water, I added 780 g of distilled water into Moe-Joe Cell sphere (I filled 2/3 volume of Moe-Joe Cell sphere approximatly.)
Please let me know about this also.

i normally add very close to 1 Litre, which would be around 1000 grams of water.

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So, because of this problem (fuse disorder problem), now I am using two of 1.5V battery connected to Moe-Joe Cell to check scum or bubble out on the water surface. Is it ok to work like this using battery?

that is okay. you will not produce any scum or bubbles at this low a voltage, but you will experience some field around the cell.
you can also use 12V car or boat battery too. it will make a nice field.
not many bubbles though.
and don\’t forget – bubbles is not necessary to see.
it is the field which counts.

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I want to know the value of voltage which I should connect to Moe-Joe Cell to check the phenomenon of scum or bubble occurrence on the water. (If possible, what is the optium voltage for this?)

you do not want to see any brown scum.
bubbles are also not necessary but to see bubbles, you need 1 amp –
it is the amperage which is making the bubbles, not voltage, really.
because it depends on the resistance of the water.
for instance, i once collected rainwater which was very pure.
even at 130 volts, i could not get more than 150mA – and still had very low water.

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Additionally, in my opinion, if bubbling is happened, the gas amount might be calculated.
So, I tried it as shown in the attached picture (connected bubble flow meter to check the gas flow from Moe-Joe Cell). But, I could not find the gas flow until now. Could you comment about this ?
I want to do this experiment it EXACTLY.
Please give me nice answer or comment for my question.

I did not see any image attached.
Please try to attach again.

Gam sa hap nee da.

Moshe

[Jung-Nam Park]

Here is the picture of my setup:

I didn\’t use KOH solution I just used only distilled water.

But I could not get 1 AMP. anyway I try to adjust 1AMP.

Please check the picture..

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[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam,

Very impressive setup!
It looks most excellent.
I would try to distance the moe-joe cell a little farther away from the VARIAC and
from the wall outlet.

This, of course, doesn\’t affect the fact that you\’re blowing a 3A fuse.
You must have a short somewhere.
did you use all the nylon insulators inside of the cell to surround the threaded bolt going to the inner sphere?

[Jung-Nam Park]

Thank you.

I still did not solve the high current problem.
(I think that 1 AMP can not be controlled by using our VARIAC. Anyway I should do solve this problem to see bubbling and/or scum from Moe-Joe cell)
(As you mentioned it the important thing is 1 AMP control to check bubbling and/or scum (come out).)
*What is the difference between bubble and scum? what is the different condition to check between bubble and scum?

Thank you for your kind comment.
Still I did not do the experiment well…
So I need more your nice comment and answer.

Please check the picture attached for your question whether i understand it about your question or not.(you question is that \”did you use all the nylon insulators inside of the cell to surround the threaded bolt going to the inner sphere?\”)

Yes, There is a electric short(short?) when I connect it in the my wrong condition of high current. So I connected the fuse in the wire. But the fuse is disordered when I turn on due to high current as I mentioned previous question (several question).

감사합니다.(= Gam sa hap nee da.) (= Thank you.)

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[Jung-Nam Park]

I think that our VARIAC and wire etc. are ok. Only problem is something wrong inside Moe-Joe Cell concerning a electric short. To solve the short problem, we checked the electrical esistant (ohms).

There is a short problem somewhere. So, we seperated all part of Moe-joe Cell.
After that, we checked the electrical resistant (Ohms) as shown in the picture. (Please see attached zip file.)

What is the electrical resistant (Ohms) value of Bismuth core connected with thread stainless rod?
our measurment value was 0.480 M ohms (or 0.480 ~ 0.920 M ohms)((indicating that the current cannot flow. is it right?)).
But, in case of after assembling of smallest spacers (closed), the value of Ohms was 2~9 ohms. (It means that the current can flow. Is it right?) What is the ohms value for this case ?

I want to know the value of the electrical resistant (Ohms) in case ofyour measurement.

I also found that there is something wrong.
As shown in the attached picture, + part stainless rod is not fixed.
It means + part rod was turned around by itself when I screw + rod.
And also, I can see that there is some empty place inside Bismuth core (arrow part in the picture).

After assembling of all part of Moe-Joe Cell, I checked Ohms, but I observed that ohms value is not fixed and faltered in the range of 30~1200 ohms when I touch wire connection part with + part rod. It means something wrong inside Moe-Joe Cell.
Maybe my guess is not true. Anyway, these things is my observation.

Please comment and answer my problem and question to solve this short problem.

Thank you. 감사합니다.(= Gam sa hap nee da.)

Awaiting your reply..

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Thank you.

I still did not solve the high current problem.
Please check the picture attached for your question whether i understand it about your question or not.(you question is that \”did you use all the nylon insulators inside of the cell to surround the threaded bolt going to the inner sphere?\”)

Yes, There is a electric short(short?) when I connect it in the my wrong condition of high current. So I connected the fuse in the wire. But the fuse is disordered when I turn on due to high current as I mentioned previous question (several question).

my friend i believe we found out the problem.
thanks to this picture you have just shared.
where you circled in Red, this is the +ve.
the entire threaded rod, both top and bottom, that goes to the Bismuth core,
that is the negative.
if you place the +ve on the top of the bismuth core threaded rods, and the negative on the bottom, you will get a short… VERY high current.

so, now you have solved the problem.
put the +ve on the small arm which is circled in red in your picture,
and the negative goes on the bottom of the bismuth core threaded rod.
you can also do the top of the threaded rod, but it is better on the bottom.

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[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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I think that our VARIAC and wire etc. are ok. Only problem is something wrong inside Moe-Joe Cell concerning a electric short. To solve the short problem, we checked the electrical esistant (ohms).

There is a short problem somewhere. So, we seperated all part of Moe-joe Cell.
After that, we checked the electrical resistant (Ohms) as shown in the picture. (Please see attached zip file.)

What is the electrical resistant (Ohms) value of Bismuth core connected with thread stainless rod?
our measurment value was 0.480 M ohms (or 0.480 ~ 0.920 M ohms)((indicating that the current cannot flow. is it right?)).
But, in case of after assembling of smallest spacers (closed), the value of Ohms was 2~9 ohms. (It means that the current can flow. Is it right?) What is the ohms value for this case ?

I want to know the value of the electrical resistant (Ohms) in case ofyour measurement.

it is not important.

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I also found that there is something wrong.
As shown in the attached picture, + part stainless rod is not fixed.
It means + part rod was turned around by itself when I screw + rod.

as i stated, this is also the negative rod. the entire rod, top and bottom, is negative. do not attach +ve onto this.
if it turns, it is because the bismuth is very soft metal.
you have to treat gently.
i am working on improved design.
you can add a little more goop and let it dry (harden) if you like.

Thank you. 감사합니다.(= Gam sa hap nee da.)

P.S. – Jung-Nam, if you attach more images please attach them as JPG and not as ZIP file. you can embed the image right into the forum message.
they have to be less than 800pixels in width.

[Jung-Nam Park]

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Dear Moshe,

THANK you so much!!!

I will try to do the experiment as you told me.

my attached a zip file (image file) is related on the connection of + stainless bolt inside outside the spacer. Please check it whethere the set-up of connection of + stainless bolt is well done or not.
Awaiting your reply.. If you check this, and then send me the comment, I will do work the experiment immediately.

Thank you again.

Awaiting your reply.

Jung-Nam,
it is better to put the nylon cap over the head of the +ve bolt on the inside of the 5\” hemisphere. it will keep all the electricity insulated only to the 5\” hemisphere and not to the head of the bolt, which would otherwise make it the closest element to the inner 2\” -ve sphere.

besides that, everything looks good.

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P.S. : Whenever I uploaded the JPG image there is a error. So I uploaded a zip file.
(The image file is smal and ok but still it happens uploaded error.)
Sorry about this.

Jung-Nam

the error you are getting is because your images are wider than 800 pixels.
i have unzipped each one and reduced them in size to 795 pixels wide (and maintaining aspect ratio)

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[Jung-Nam Park]

You said that \” it is better to put the nylon cap over the head of the +ve bolt on the inside of the 5\” hemisphere. it will keep all the electricity insulated only to the 5\” hemisphere and not to the head of the bolt, which would otherwise make it the closest element to the inner 2\” -ve sphere.\”

I cannot understand all your reply. Could you tell me more easily? A nylon cap cannot be fixed on + stainless bolt on the inside of the biggest hemisphere. (I mean that A nylon cap cannot be caught in head of the + stainless bolt by itself. I mean that The fitting size is different.)

I just can add a nylon nut in + stainless bolt on the inside of the biggest hemisphere. Can I do like this?

Please tell me your guideline.
I will follow your guideline if I understand it clearly.

Awaiting your reply…

Thank you~
Happy New Year~

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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You said that \” it is better to put the nylon cap over the head of the +ve bolt on the inside of the 5\” hemisphere. it will keep all the electricity insulated only to the 5\” hemisphere and not to the head of the bolt, which would otherwise make it the closest element to the inner 2\” -ve sphere.\”

I cannot understand all your reply. Could you tell me more easily? A nylon cap cannot be fixed on + stainless bolt on the inside of the biggest hemisphere. (I mean that A nylon cap cannot be caught in head of the + stainless bolt by itself. I mean that The fitting size is different.)

yes Jung-Nam, you are correct.
the fitting size is different, but if you use just a little goop or silicone gel, you can fix it to the head of the bolt and it will stay.

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I just can add a nylon nut in + stainless bolt on the inside of the biggest hemisphere. Can I do like this?

No! Definitely not. if you do this you will block so that the electricity cannot touch the inside of the 5\” sphere. you want the head of the bolt to touch directly with the inside of the 5\” sphere and also then, after, cap it with the white nylon cap, using a little glue / goop / silicone gel.

Happy New Year to you too!

[Jung-Nam Park]

Thank you for your kind helps.

Another question is below..

I used the distilled water for water changing. Is it ok? Is it possible that it flows the current in distilled water? What kind of water can you recommend it?
Is it possible to use tap water for checking the bubbles or water charging? (instead of distilled water) (I heard that the current can flow in tap water. but it does not flow in distilled water.)
Because I cannot get spring water.

(Last time when you answer my question, you mentioned … KOH … .)
If I use NaHCO3(baking soda) solution, what happens? Is it also possible to use it for checking bubbles?

To make 1 AMP, which one should I select to use between tap water and NaHCO3 solution if possible.

Thank you.

Awaiting your reply…

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Thank you for your kind helps.

Another question is below..

I used the distilled water for water changing. Is it ok? Is it possible that it flows the current in distilled water?

no. distilled water has no electrolytes. it\’s resistance to electrical conductivity is much too high to work.

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What kind of water can you recommend it?

spring water is the best from a beautiful, clear spring in the mountains or hills.
example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Willow_Creek,_Trout_Creek_Mountains,_Oregon.jpg
or especially a source of water that comes up out of the ground.

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Is it possible to use tap water for checking the bubbles or water charging? (instead of distilled water) (I heard that the current can flow in tap water. but it does not flow in distilled water.) Because I cannot get spring water.

oh. i see. if you use tap water, you want to make it LIVE.
see my posts on my water vortexer here:
Moshe\’s Water vortexer

you need to bring the water back to life, then you can use tap water.

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(Last time when you answer my question, you mentioned … KOH … .)
If I use NaHCO3(baking soda) solution, what happens? Is it also possible to use it for checking bubbles?

yes, you can use baking soda also to increase the current.
then, you must use shorter charging times.
don\’t charge longer than 3-5 minutes at a time.

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To make 1 AMP, which one should I select to use between tap water and NaHCO3 solution if possible.

yes. this is possible.

[Jung-Nam Park]

Dear Moshe, Sir,

Thank you for kind reply..

Finally, I have a success about bubbling formation!

Another questions is below…

You mentioned that \”yes, you can use baking soda also to increase the current.
then, you must use shorter charging times.
don\’t charge longer than 3-5 minutes at a time.\”

I have set up Moe-Joe Cell device with connected conventional DC charging with VARIAC and bridge rectifyer – Method 1, which I showed last time. And I set 80V to check observation of bubbles. (now I do not know the exact current, I just expect 1 AMP approximately, I will check it carefully later.) I found that the bubbles from Moe-Joe Cell come out onto water surface in the platic water vessle.
If I do water charging for healing or for kit enhancer of car fuel efficiency, should I do turn on during 3 min and turn off – this cycles-5 times per a day using Method 1 system controlled 80V? If I do like this I expect that the electric charge (voltage) power will be decreased until next electric charge. That is why I do charge it again. Is it right? Anyway, can I do like this using Method 1 for water charging? If so, How long does it takes to get full healing effect for full water charging? for exampls, 1day or 3 days?? In this case, during overnight should I turn off the power as I sleep in? And I turn on in the morning. Is it right? please let me know about this..

And also, you mentioned that it is important to do the water charging at lower voltage (12~20V)than high voltage to see bubbling.
So, I want to try it using conventional battery with 16.6V. If I use this battery can I trun on battery 24 hour without off-time? I mean that is it needed overnight off time? and in this case, how long should I maintain to turn on for water charging to get healing or enhancing something effect? for examples 1day or 3day??

Thank you so much.
Awaiting your reply..

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Dear Moshe, Sir,

Thank you for kind reply..

Finally, I have a success about bubbling formation!

that\’s great. congratulations.

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Another questions is below…

You mentioned that \”yes, you can use baking soda also to increase the current.
then, you must use shorter charging times.
don\’t charge longer than 3-5 minutes at a time.\”

I have set up Moe-Joe Cell device with connected conventional DC charging with VARIAC and bridge rectifyer – Method 1, which I showed last time. And I set 80V to check observation of bubbles. (now I do not know the exact current, I just expect 1 AMP approximately, I will check it carefully later.) I found that the bubbles from Moe-Joe Cell come out onto water surface in the platic water vessle.
If I do water charging for healing or for kit enhancer of car fuel efficiency, should I do turn on during 3 min and turn off – this cycles-5 times per a day using Method 1 system controlled 80V?

yes. that is fine.

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If I do like this I expect that the electric charge (voltage) power will be decreased until next electric charge. That is why I do charge it again. Is it right?

it doesn\’t lose voltage that fast. the residual voltage you can measure across the cell will decrease will time, but the water does maintain a charge of orgone for longer than you think. what you are doing by charging more times is increasing the amount of orgone. this is something that takes some experience and sensitivity to feel and to experience. you can also charge too much, you know.
so start small and observe the water.
feel the water. do you sense the energy in the water?
do you see an increase in surface tension?

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Anyway, can I do like this using Method 1 for water charging? If so, How long does it takes to get full healing effect for full water charging? for exampls, 1day or 3 days?? In this case, during overnight should I turn off the power as I sleep in? And I turn on in the morning. Is it right? please let me know about this..

it will take more than 1 day. it will take around 3-4 days to get full healing effect of water. you may also need to filter the water if it forms scum.

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And also, you mentioned that it is important to do the water charging at lower voltage (12~20V)than high voltage to see bubbling.
So, I want to try it using conventional battery with 16.6V. If I use this battery can I trun on battery 24 hour without off-time? I mean that is it needed overnight off time?

you can play around with charging times.
if you\’re getting very very very low amps with the 16.6V then you can leave it on a long time, yes.

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and in this case, how long should I maintain to turn on for water charging to get healing or enhancing something effect? for examples 1day or 3day??
Thank you so much.
Awaiting your reply..

even 1 day, you will get enhanced healing effect.
but 2 days, probably more.
3 days, more.
but then you may find it is too much. so you have to observe and feel the water.

[Jung-Nam Park]

Hi, Moshe,

Thank you very much for kind reply.

In your comments, you said that \”so start small and observe the water.
feel the water. do you sense the energy in the water?
do you see an increase in surface tension?\”
I want to know how to feel and observe the charged water in detail.
for example, If I touch it, can I feel the charged water a little sticky ?
How can I sense the energy in the water? How can I see or feel it? and also how to know increase of surface tension.
And, if the scum on the water surface occurs, have the water been charged a little bit?
I am curious about these things. I will do experiment for charging water during 1day ~ 3day.

And also you said that \”you may also need to filter the water if it forms scum.\”
After I finish the charging of water, if it forms scums, to remove the scum on the water, can I use a conventional filter paper with shape of round type? Is it right?

And also you said that \”if you\’re getting very very very low amps with the 16.6V then you can leave it on a long time, yes.\”
I will check the current during the experiment, what is the value of very very very low amps? 0.01 amp? or 0.1 amp? please let me know the range of very very very low amp.

Thank you so much all the time.

Awaiting your reply.

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Hi, Moshe,

Thank you very much for kind reply.

In your comments, you said that \”so start small and observe the water.
feel the water. do you sense the energy in the water?
do you see an increase in surface tension?\”
I want to know how to feel and observe the charged water in detail.
for example, If I touch it, can I feel the charged water a little sticky ?
How can I sense the energy in the water? How can I see or feel it?

Every person can feel the energy in the water differently.
Some people feel cold, some heat, some like a \”breeze of cool air\”, some feel little electricity impulses like static. so you have to play around with it and see if you can feel it. Please note – this is feeling the water energetically! NOT putting the hand inside of the water. that is a different story.

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and also how to know increase of surface tension.

watch these two videos –
http://www.moe-joe-working.com/Moe-Joe-Cell/moe-joe_surface_tension.MOV

http://www.moe-joe-working.com/Moe-Joe-Cell/moe-joe_surface_tension2.MOV

you can see the increase of surface tension.
This is very very high surface tension.

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And, if the scum on the water surface occurs, have the water been charged a little bit?

scum just means scum. dirt. nothing else.

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And also you said that \”you may also need to filter the water if it forms scum.\”
After I finish the charging of water, if it forms scums, to remove the scum on the water, can I use a conventional filter paper with shape of round type? Is it right?

go to this page here:
http://www.moe-joe-working.com/Moe-Joe-Cell/moe_joe_cell_charging.html
or do a search in the forum for filtering the water. i think we already had these questions.

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And also you said that \”if you\’re getting very very very low amps with the 16.6V then you can leave it on a long time, yes.\”
I will check the current during the experiment, what is the value of very very very low amps? 0.01 amp? or 0.1 amp? please let me know the range of very very very low amp.

very very low would be 0.01 amps, like 10 mA.
0.1 amps = 100 mAs and it is low, but not very very low.

[Jung-Nam Park]

Hi Moshe,

Thank you very much for your kind reply..

You said that \”very very low would be 0.01 amps, like 10 mA.
0.1 amps = 100 mAs and it is low, but not very very low.\”

I measured the currents with different controlled volatage that Moe-Joe Cell device with connected conventional DC charging with VARIAC and bridge rectifyer – Method 1, which is added ground water in Moe-Joe Cell.
When I set AC 33.9V(VARIAC controlling), (converted final DC voltage (with a capacitor) is 39.2V)the current was 1 AMP.
So, I am doing the water charging experiment (5times per day, 1time : charging 5min and then off 2hr) under this condition. (I think that it is not convenient due to on and off everytime.. I mean not continuing.. That\’s why I am asking.. below.. questions)

In my measurment, when I set AC 10V the current was 0.06 amp.
I think that this 0.06 amps is low or very low value as you meantioned it above.
When I set 5V the current was 0.002 amp. This must be very very low..

So, my questions are…
Instead of 1AMP run on and off (5times per day), can I do the experiment using low value 0.06 amp controlled VARIA C- Method 1 for water charging continuously WITHOUT on and off. Is it ok? Is it possible to charge the water contineously under low current using Method 1? What is the recommendable (low or very very low)current values for contineous water charging?
(If I get the 0.01 amp by controlling the voltage(between 5 and 10V), is it better for long run water charging than 0.06 amps? because 0.01 amp is lower than 0.06 amp. Or is the both case possible?)

Also,I get 0.01 amp using the convetional battery with, for example, 7V, is it also ok to use for contineous(long run) water charging without off time ? Or is it better using lower current than 0.01 amp by choosing conventional battery such as 3V etc.?
Have you ever done using conventional battery with 3V or 1.5V for water charging? (If you have a experience, please let me know the period for water charging.)

And I have watched surface tention viedo 1 and 2 which you linked last reply. Thank you for this viedo.
By the way, In this case, what was the water charging conditions on the result in this viedos approximately? Times, Current, Method etc.?

Thank you so much. (감사합니다.)

Awaiting your reply.

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Hi Moshe,

Thank you very much for your kind reply..

You said that \”very very low would be 0.01 amps, like 10 mA.
0.1 amps = 100 mAs and it is low, but not very very low.\”

I measured the currents with different controlled volatage that Moe-Joe Cell device with connected conventional DC charging with VARIAC and bridge rectifyer – Method 1, which is added ground water in Moe-Joe Cell.
When I set AC 33.9V(VARIAC controlling), (converted final DC voltage (with a capacitor) is 39.2V)the current was 1 AMP.
So, I am doing the water charging experiment (5times per day, 1time : charging 5min and then off 2hr) under this condition. (I think that it is not convenient due to on and off everytime.. I mean not continuing.. That\’s why I am asking.. below.. questions)

In my measurment, when I set AC 10V the current was 0.06 amp.
I think that this 0.06 amps is low or very low value as you meantioned it above.
When I set 5V the current was 0.002 amp. This must be very very low..

So, my questions are…
Instead of 1AMP run on and off (5times per day), can I do the experiment using low value 0.06 amp controlled VARIA C- Method 1 for water charging continuously WITHOUT on and off. Is it ok? Is it possible to charge the water contineously under low current using Method 1? What is the recommendable (low or very very low)current values for contineous water charging?

Jung-Nam,
You are asking me these questions as if I am the all-knowing master on these matters. I really am not. There is really no such thing.
This is a science and an art. there is knowledge, yes, true, but there is also experience and sensitivity. Each setup is quite different from the other.
if you have problems, like in the beginning with using the electricity wrong, then we can help. but you are asking precise details of exact methodology and you must really find the way yourself.
You have asked questions – and the answer is – yes, and yes, but also, it depends.
try doing some experimenting and look for the results.
this way, you will begin to learn yourself and it is more valuable than me giving you all the answers.

however, one thing i do want to tell you –
if you are using low voltage, you might as well use pure DC from batteries, because
using rectified AC to DC is not pure DC and the cells respond better to pure DC from batteries. ok?

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Also,I get 0.01 amp using the convetional battery with, for example, 7V, is it also ok to use for contineous(long run) water charging without off time ? Or is it better using lower current than 0.01 amp by choosing conventional battery such as 3V etc.?
Have you ever done using conventional battery with 3V or 1.5V for water charging? (If you have a experience, please let me know the period for water charging.)

I have used the lowest battery was 9V.
1.5 volts is only to hold the residual voltage across the cell, not really to charge. however, look at Chris McGuire\’s setup here – Moe Joe cell Forum post

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And I have watched surface tention viedo 1 and 2 which you linked last reply. Thank you for this viedo.
By the way, In this case, what was the water charging conditions on the result in this viedos approximately? Times, Current, Method etc.?

It was quite a long time ago.
It was using pure pure spring water from the earth and very low current with 12V battery, charging like 20-30minutes at a time, a few times / day.

Plus a lot of meditation and feeling around the water.

Be well my friend!

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[Jung-Nam Park]

Hi Moshe,

Thank you so much for your nice comments…

I did the water charging with 1 amp during 2.5 day with VARIAC (Method 1).

I poured the water inside Moe-Joe Cell out. and I found that yellow some particles exist in water. I guess that it come from some Bismuth core.. is it right?

In official web site, you mentioned \”Charge for 1-3 minutes 4-6 times /day until the water gets filled with a brownish, orangy fluffy \”scum.\” then filter the water, using 2 Blue Shop towels (available at Home Depot)\”

I attached the picture. Could you tell me whether it is a brownish, orangy fluffy scum or not? If not what is this? Do you think my experiment is something wrong. Please let me know..

After this water charge, I did filter it. I got filtered yellow color solution. Is it right?
So, I am recharging this filtered yellow color solution for second charge. Is it right?

If I did charge it again do you think this yellow some particles in water is not formed?

Please let me know your experiences and comments.

And also I just want to share my AC–>DC converting compact device!

Thank you so much

Awaiting your reply.

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[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Hi Moshe,
Thank you so much for your nice comments…
I did the water charging with 1 amp during 2.5 day with VARIAC (Method 1).

I poured the water inside Moe-Joe Cell out. and I found that yellow some particles exist in water. I guess that it come from some Bismuth core.. is it right?

no. the bismuth core shouldn\’t create any scum because it is coated in goop / silicone and is not in contact with the water.
that yellow discoloration is due to nickle and iron coming into the water.

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In official web site, you mentioned \”Charge for 1-3 minutes 4-6 times /day until the water gets filled with a brownish, orangy fluffy \”scum.\” then filter the water, using 2 Blue Shop towels (available at Home Depot)\”

I attached the picture. Could you tell me whether it is a brownish, orangy fluffy scum or not? If not what is this? Do you think my experiment is something wrong. Please let me know..

your scum looks good. :laugh:
just fine.

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After this water charge, I did filter it. I got filtered yellow color solution. Is it right? So, I am recharging this filtered yellow color solution for second charge. Is it right?
If I did charge it again do you think this yellow some particles in water is not formed?

the yellow coloured solution after filtering is totally fine and normal.
yes and you will charge that for second charge. yes.
you will probably continue to see scum forming in the water.
it is normal when you charge at high amperage.
lower amps you will not see so much scum.

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And also I just want to share my AC–>DC converting compact device!

Thank you so much
Awaiting your reply.

very very nice setup.
Very neat.
you have your bridge rectifier, then your capacitor.
nice work Jung-Nam.

After trying this for a while, you can later use a battery and compare.

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[Jung-Nam Park]

Hi Moshe,

Thank you for your nice comments.

I very appreciate your kind comments to me everytimes.. :laugh:

You said that \” no. the bismuth core shouldn\’t create any scum because it is coated in goop / silicone and is not in contact with the water.
that yellow discoloration is due to nickle and iron coming into the water. \”

My question is… This is an assumption. If some silicone part covered bismuth core was peeled a little bit. so, if bismuth core was contacted with water a little bit. Can Bismuth core material reach out into water and can it form any scum or particle? Is it possible to form?
And you said that yellow discoloration is Ni and Fe components coming into the water.
So, I want to do the analysis of this filtered solution components. and also, I want to analyze the filtered solid. Have you ever done the analyasis of this solution and solid? If you give me more information or comment about this, it will be better for my analysis. Please just let me know… 🙂

I surprised that a lot of brownish, orangy fluffy scum including some small particle with some precipitations are formed in the charged water when I take out charged water from Moe-Joe Cell after water charging with 1 amps -Method 1, as shown in last message. ((This picture is the same with previous picture of last message, I have just taken photos with high resolution and show you them again.))

Finally, I can use the filtered yellow charged water for healing or car kit after several charge and filter cycles, Is it right?

As you mentioned it, I will compare with the differences of the color and phenomena between the Method 1 with 1 amps and the battery method with low amp.

Thank you,

Awaiting your reply.

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[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Hi Moshe,

My question is… This is an assumption. If some silicone part covered bismuth core was peeled a little bit. so, if bismuth core was contacted with water a little bit. Can Bismuth core material reach out into water and can it form any scum or particle? Is it possible to form?

yes, in that case, for certain. Bismuth core, if exposed to water, will produce a lot of brown scum.

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And you said that yellow discoloration is Ni and Fe components coming into the water.
So, I want to do the analysis of this filtered solution components. and also, I want to analyze the filtered solid. Have you ever done the analyasis of this solution and solid? If you give me more information or comment about this, it will be better for my analysis. Please just let me know… 🙂

I haven\’t done such an analysis. it would be very helpful information to know.
Please keep us posted.

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Finally, I can use the filtered yellow charged water for healing or car kit after several charge and filter cycles, Is it right?

yes, that is right.
but do not drink the water.
you can use it to place on or near the body with items that channel the energy to the person from the water, like an orgone accumulator \”shooter box\”

look at this picture – you could put a tube into the water and then \”shoot\” the orgone energy into the desired area of the body.
Also, you can take a very small amount of the water and then dilute it with fresh drinking water and then vortex them together.

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[Jung-Nam Park]

Dear Moshe,

Thank you for kind reply..

Recently, I have charged the ground water during several days (more than 6 days) with 1 amps to apply to car kit.
When I analyse it there are Fe, Cr, Ni components in charged water even though I could not know the concentration of components.

To understand and install Moe-Joe Cell for Car kit, I have checked the viedo \”Water Car Moe-Joe Cell Car Installation Video\” in the website.
I just understand a little bit, the connection part of Moe-Joe Cell into Air intake line. I could not understand it clearly… My question is related on O2 sensor at installation of Moe-Joe Cell. There is an explanation about O2 sensor in the video. I can not understand it clearly.
Should I rearrange or fix O2 sensor line or O2 sensor device ?
If not, does it happens, something wrong?
I want to know it exactly before Moe-Joe Cell installation of car kit.

In your website, \”\”This Video Contains instructions on how to assemble the Moe-Joe Cell and Install into the Car via VACUUM intake, and also demonstrates how to get under the car and locate the catalytic converter and the O2 sensors. (note: in this video, we chose a method we are no longer employing the use of – We hooked the two rear O2 sensors together and then we also hooked up the front two O2 sensors together – Also, we are no longer using the Cell Guardian. It DOES NOT WORK – it is a scam. We are sorry if this has misled anyone. The good results we got were exclusively from the Moe-Joe working, and NOT the Cell Guardian… \”\”

These sentences confuse me.. Please let me know the installation method of Moe-Joe Cell for Car kit to understand it easier..

Thank you,

Awaiting your reply.

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Dear Moshe,

Thank you for kind reply..

Recently, I have charged the ground water during several days (more than 6 days) with 1 amps to apply to car kit.
When I analyse it there are Fe, Cr, Ni components in charged water even though I could not know the concentration of components.

That sounds pretty normal. yes. those are the elements of the stainless steel and they will come out into the water during charging.

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To understand and install Moe-Joe Cell for Car kit, I have checked the viedo \”Water Car Moe-Joe Cell Car Installation Video\” in the website.
I just understand a little bit, the connection part of Moe-Joe Cell into Air intake line. I could not understand it clearly… My question is related on O2 sensor at installation of Moe-Joe Cell. There is an explanation about O2 sensor in the video. I can not understand it clearly.
Should I rearrange or fix O2 sensor line or O2 sensor device ?
If not, does it happens, something wrong?
I want to know it exactly before Moe-Joe Cell installation of car kit.

In your website, \”\”This Video Contains instructions on how to assemble the Moe-Joe Cell and Install into the Car via VACUUM intake, and also demonstrates how to get under the car and locate the catalytic converter and the O2 sensors. (note: in this video, we chose a method we are no longer employing the use of – We hooked the two rear O2 sensors together and then we also hooked up the front two O2 sensors together – Also, we are no longer using the Cell Guardian. It DOES NOT WORK – it is a scam. We are sorry if this has misled anyone. The good results we got were exclusively from the Moe-Joe working, and NOT the Cell Guardian… \”\”

These sentences confuse me.. Please let me know the installation method of Moe-Joe Cell for Car kit to understand it easier..

ok. so here is a summary of what this all means.

There was a guy who was selling a device called a Cell Guardian to try to fix the O2 sensor problem with the cell. it didn\’t work. in fact, it was a total scam.
so I warm people, not to do it. since then, I have tried several other devices and setups to try to \”trick\” the O2 sensors during the operation of the moe-joe cell, but so far, I have not found anything that actually helps or works.
So, for now, do not worry about the oxygen sensors.

The next idea is a new idea, which is easier and may even be better, i believe, than using the vacuum air intake. it is definitely better than using the Air intake.
it is using the (PCV) valve intake. I have found this to be an easy way to connect the cell to the engine.

Locate the PCV valve on your car. it is easy to remove the tube that connects to it.
buy a T valve connector (like this:

then connect your moe-joe cell tube to one end and back into the PCV valve.
this is the easiest way I have found to do it and the energy of the moe-joe cell get sucked right into the engine at a good spot!

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[James A.L. Cullumber]

I know a lot of people here use the Moe-Joe Cell to charge the water, and on my end, I already have something that can charge water.

My only question is; Since I have a Orgone Accumulator, would using the water from there be better than letting the water sit inside the Cell?