[Moshe Daniel]

Rob Eklund wrote:

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I found a source of spring water, This is one of the roadside parks that has a constant natural flow year round here. also fron all of the published water quality test I have seen this one is pretty average.

http://www.premierwatermn.com/waterblog/frederick-miller-spring-water-quality/

One thing I noticed right away, not sure what it means, the water level in my vortexer is about an inch and a half higher than it is while running tap water.

cool!
Is that water level using the same amount of water?

Can you take a picture or a video of your vortexer?
I imagine your cell will respond much better to the spring \”live\” water.

[Moshe Daniel]

Rob Eklund wrote:

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What would you think of an earthenware container for the cell, something along the line of a glazed clay? Just wondering if the more natural form may be of benefit.

the best is glass. I haven\’t worked a lot with Earthenware because you cannot see the cell, and i like to look at my moe-joe… all shiny and round.
I\’d like to hear about your experience with it.
Let us know, ok?
My feeling is that it will be good. Especially with such a pretty pattern on the outside. 😛

[Moshe Daniel]

hi Rob,

Thanks for much for sharing your setup with us.

First of all, I am not crazy about the negative being brought in from the top, next to the positive leads from your battery. even though it would seem not like a big deal, having the negative brought in at the bottom, and shrink wrapping all of that exposed negative lead at the top, will make a difference.

also, stainless steel as the container, i have found does not work as well as glass, or ceramic, as in your first setup… which was basically just the cell.

if you do have the cell within a vessel filled with water, make sure it is over the top of the cell – in that case, you\’ll have to shrink wrap the negative central bolt as it comes out the top.

check out this page:
Charging the Cell
And in particular, this video, about cutting the hole in the bottomof the cell. now, diamond drill bits are much easier to get (HomeDepot, etc) not too expensive, and make the job very easy to do. (make sure you use lots of water though)

http://www.youtube.com/v/1QUW-XfxPWc

If you can get your water from a stream, or thundershower water (lower electrolytes, but high energy) and THEN swirl it up, you\’ll be even better!

having said all of this, your results sound great! especially that car influence like that.. as if the intention of knowing you will install the moe joe cell there has called it to influence the engine.
Wow! Sounds related to Unit Charge effect and Chric McGuire\’s posts here on Nutopia.

[Moshe Daniel]

Evie, welcome to Nutopia!!
Thank you so much for being a part of this with us.

Evie McAdoo wrote:

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I have just joined. I was led to this site by some very strange twists and jumps. I have always been a fan of Dr. Wayne Dyer but his last publication disturbed me. He tells us we are G_d. I am a Shaman/Healer and I work with G_d but that Dr. Dyers proposal that we are all each G_d was too much for my Jewish bred, Shaman learned, Kabbalah studied brain to accept.

I agree. It\’s a little too much. Yes, we care children of God, we are a part of God, can have God living in our hearts… but I also do not like the statement \”I am God\” – spoken. it is not a balanced statement.
It\’s a new agey thing. I have noticed that people who make that statement are unbalanced in themselves, so this unbalanced statement attracts them.

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Somehow yesterday I stumbeled onto Moshe David\’s review of Zeitgeist, and of The Secret.
I totally agree with everything Moshe said. So I checked out his website, ordered The Last 4 Books of Moses and here I am.

that\’s wonderful! Thank you so much. We\’re so glad to have you here.

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Moshe I would love to see you do a review of Wishes Fullfilled. My friend and neighbor that I do healings with occasionally has bought this concept that she is now G_d, but due to your work I can now point her in some other directions.

That will be great. I have a lot of material out there.
Can you give me a little more info on Wishes Fulfilled?

[Moshe Daniel]

Christopher Gardner wrote:

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Hey Nutopians,

I have had the oportunnity to build a few \’Ram\’ pumps here in Costa Rica. They are very simple because they use the force from cavitation(implosion) as the motive power for the pump. The one I have built is online at Clemson.edu and costs roughly a hundred dollars to build correctly. This particular model would pump 1/8th of my water supply 200\’ above the pump, which was roughly 40\’ below the source using no electricity.

Tophur, that is so awesome.
brilliant. and like Joachim states, the principles of flow, for both water and electricity, for example, involving implosion, are the same.

Tophur mentioned clemson.edu is where the Ram pump is located -here\’s the precise link
http://www.clemson.edu/irrig/equip/ram.htm

Thanks for posting Tophur.

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[Moshe Daniel]

thanks Rob.

Let me see if I can get Tophur (Chris Gardner) in on this discussion. he has some good ideas about this and has also studied some Schauberger.

[Moshe Daniel]

Rob Eklund wrote:

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I was wondering if you have ever thought of something along the lines of an Archimedes screw to fill a reservior and gravity feed the water through this?

Interesting. I hadn\’t thought of that in particular, but my friend Tophur had discussed with me his idea of using some Schauberger technology with some John Keely stuff too to use the shutting of valves on flowing water and the implosion principle to raise water against gravity.

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I have heard pumps are not good for what you are trying to get.

can you say more of what you have heard?
i have some orgonite in the water, and although it is not ideal with the EMFs from the pump, believe me, the water is quite amazing.

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Also if you are really creative you could serial feed several in a line, one from the out on another.

that is pretty interesting.
thanks for sharing and your ideas Rob.

[Moshe Daniel]

hi there Hamosh.

wow!!
what is that thing? ha ha.

what do you intend on doing with it?

by the way, this is not a moe-joe cell, so i am moving this thread to another location – in alternative energy.

[Moshe Daniel]

hamosh Gh wrote:

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Hello
Please give the answer to my questions?
I made the cell by a plastic jar and use Katejrebh aluminum wire and use the water fountains of the villages, and then use the constant voltage from 8.2 volts and 600 mA, but it did not work well
Do I have to add other material to the cell?
Can I use a car battery and how much must be amp?
Thank you very much.

Hi Hamosh,

Plastic jar is not a good idea. Use glass.
I also don\’t like to use aluminum wire to conduct the electricity.

How did you get such high current (600mA) with so low a voltage? Are you adding electrolyte?

Can you please send a picture of your setup.

when you say it did not work well… how are you \”measuring\” how well it is working?

[Moshe Daniel]

Chris McGuire wrote:

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Moshe:

I am preparing to install a healthy cell on my truck. The cell is connected to a 6 v flashlight battery while I prepare to re-install it. It seems the cell has quite an effect on my household. Everybody\’s character have become more balanced, more aware of their surroundings. The corners of the house are getting cleaned. Dirt is coming out of crevices, tumors (or warts, not really sure) are being healed, love abounding. I have much enjoyed the presence of the cell\’s effects on my house so much so that I am procrastinating putting it on my truck. My sleep lately has been great and fulfilling and still it is not difficult to rise in the early morning to get the day started. It seems life is becoming much more balanced. So perhaps tonight or tomorrow I will install (very carefully :)) this latest healthier cell back directly on my truck.

this post has brought me great joy and excitement to read. thank you so much for sharing this! What an amazing thing. Sounds like you could use one for the truck and one for the house… although, as we\’re discovering now, together, this may not even be necessary! With the remote charge – you just have to install the cell into the car, \”tune up\” the metal and the chassis and the engine, and then keep it alive and healthy in the home, and it will positively influence the performance of the engine.

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Strange as this may seem, I have noticed that the truck\’s wacky mid-transition-stage character becomes much more pronounced (again) when I am operating the cell off the 6 v flashlight battery in my home. When I disconnect the cell altogether I notice the character of my truck phase out and slowly the truck returns to normal power/timing, etc. But even when the cell is not directly installed on the truck and then connected to a battery elsewhere, it STILL GIVES BACK the \’moe-joe\’ character and power/timing begin phasing back toward abnormal again.

totally amazing. fascinating.
I believe it!
You are opening my eyes to something that is phenomenal.
it reminds me of the scientific experiments on cells that are removed from a person\’s tissues.
And in one location, the cells are stimulated electrically, and in the remote location, the cells respond as if they too had been stimulated in the same fashion! the Quantum field is in effect!

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It seems perhaps that the moe-joe cell offers a way to \’tune\’ the atoms of other substances (ie using the transfer tube/spring) to match the \’tuning\’ of the cell, or the water, or of a derivative of the whole operation. Or perhaps rather it absorbs/draws \’atomic noise\’. At any rate it seems to \’pull\’ your engine block and whatever else it is in contact with into a particular type of atomic pitch which can than resonate with the cell remotely. So once your block has had a \’quantum cleanse\’ it will then be able to maintain it\’s \’cleanliness\’ or \’tuning\’ somewhat by virtue of the quantum resonance created by all the moe-joe cells in operation of the same construction (ie the same size and electrical configuration) in the universe. Or will any size moe-joe cell will resonate with any other size?

good question. the same sized cells will, for sure, resonate together. and the more healthy moe-joe cells we have resonating together, the more this quantum field will grow in strength and efficiency… plus all the healing, balancing, harmonizing and joy effects too. Different sized cells will not resonate in this same way with others of different sizes, unless they are the same frequency – which is unlikely with a different size. But those of different sizes will resonate with their own same sized cells.

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Not really sure about much, just thoughts to ponder. This phenomena of remote charge delivery is definitely occuring. Very cool.

I\’ll keep ya updated on the truck installation after I get it going again.

Thanks!

thank you for your outstanding work and great reports.
we can\’t wait to hear more results on the truck!

[Moshe Daniel]

Chris, you have a keen and natural perception of the cell\’s nuances.
It is true that adding water after the filtering (or any time for that matter) to the charged water diminishes its potency and coherence.
Also, any rust or crude particles in the water also remove them.

I like your account about not charging while the engine is running. it is so true… and it also can mess up your car\’s computer too! I\’ve seen it happen. Messed everything up for a while. The moe-joe cell and joe cell can do that ANYWAY, even while not charging during engine operation… but charging while the engine is on definitely accelerates wonkiness on the engine computer.

what are you up to lately with the cell?
ie – what\’s the latest news?

I plan on experimenting with Eli\’s suggestions of the Meissner self-oscillating circuit along with the Bedini solid state circuit. Click here to check out that thread.
Going to be applying myself to that over the next little while.

[Moshe Daniel]

Matthias Kamber wrote:

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Hello Moshe

The moe-joe-cell is not yet assembled, but I tried to set up the joe-cell in order to start charging the water.

My charging setup is as follows: I currently use a glass tube-vase of about 20 cm diameter and 25 cm height. In it I placed the tubes. I put hot glue on their base so to fix them on the bottom of the vase. They are not absolutely close but – does that matter?

hi there Matthias,

thank you for sharing your setup with us.
First of all, you have many problems in your setup.
Let me see if i can help you.

#1 Hot glue is not a good insulator between the cells.
better to use other spacers. Nylon, ebonite, acrylic…

#2 – you have to have the tubes covered in water… your tubes are sticking out. at least 1\” over the top of the tubes.

#3 – the charging works best when the negative is attached to the bottom and the positive is connected to the top (like it is). Also, always make sure to connect the negative first and the positive 2nd.

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I then filled the system with distilled water and connected the output of the rectifier (12V) to the outer and the inner tube. When I tried to increase the amperage, no current was apparently running. Now I think: How could it, I used destilled water. I thought I\’d need destilled water. Do I need tap water instead?

what you want is LIVE water. Spring water, from a live stream in the country, in the mountains.
if not, then you have to prepare your water.
There are different methods.
Swirler – see my swirler video –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOHbm7r_irA

You want to enliven the water. there is also a method of using many stainless steel plates to prepare the water.

and yes, distilled water is totally dead and it has no electrolytes, so it will not allow any current to pass.
you need to have some water with electrolytes (natural – don\’t add any)

also, with 12V, you\’re not going to see much activity at all. so don\’t expect to see much. but you will be able to feel things.

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And then my next burning question 🙂 What should I observe when charging the cell/ water? Do you have kind of a manual or instruction book?

no manual or instruction book. just lots of knowledge accumulated after years of study and experimentation.

Lots of this knowledge can be found here on this forum – through the joe cell and moe-joe cell discussions, and also at http://www.moe-joe-cell.com

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What are the electric tension and amperage to run and for how long?

it depends. there is no fixed exact amount which is right to charge.
one thing you can do is measure residual voltage between the inner and outer cylinders, and when these begin to decline, then you can charge again.
there\’s no exact science to this answer.
also, read the moe-joe cell threads – there are some ideas shared there too.

[Moshe Daniel]

This is the Meissner Circuit modified:

Thanks to Eli for these files and to Ritalie.com –
Also thanks to Bedini for this great circuits!

Note to Eli –
Which of the two circuits – Meissner original, or Meissner modified do you recommend for the charging with the moe-joe cell?

Also, just a quick explanation of how to add images in the post – there are 2 ways
1) you go to the bottom of the text area, and you select your image from your harddrive using \”Browse\” button, but then you click on the img button to the right, and this creates a marker for where that uploaded image will appear.
2) you use the Image link ABOVE the text box where you type out the main post, and your place the link of an image which already exists somewhere on the web.

ok?

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Here is the Original Meissner Circuit

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Elianodi Eliano wrote:

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Hey Daniel,

Yes this is the Youtube video, but the version that is not meant for HHO cells, or Now for MOE-JOE :hopefully 😀

For the Bedini, I was putting my digital meter to DC voltage measure, not AC, while charging, I will experiment with this more in the coming days.

Hi Eli,

As far as I understand, you really cannot read the output of the Bedini system with a regular voltmeter. it\’s because it is radiant energy. You\’ll beed an oscilloscope to do so, or the readings won\’t be accurate.

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Man, I\’ll send you the pix , dunno why it\’s not working here to post the pix, then you can post them for me 🙂

sure… I will post here (this is the Bedini Solid state charger):

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Check out Ritalie.com, this is the dude that I bought his material, he has videos for his HHO charging with the MEissner circuit,and what a beautiful charge, always in resonnance, the 100ohm resistor is not necessary with HHO, it looses power.

what about with the moe-joe cell? you think we can also get rid of the 100ohm resistor?
(note: I am attaching the Meissner circuits in next response here)

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