Starting the Charging – technical stuff

[Matthias Kamber]

Hello Moshe

I signed up already a month ago after finding this thread but for the first steps I did not need to bother you.

Now I have finished the polishing of the hemispheres of the moe-joe-cell a friend of mine left to me for experimenting. I also polished the outside of the tubes of the joe-cell he left to me. The metal parts are cleaned and ready so far. The hemispheres have a very nice sound!

The moe-joe-cell is not yet assembled, but I tried to set up the joe-cell in order to start charging the water.

My charging setup is as follows: I currently use a glass tube-vase of about 20 cm diameter and 25 cm height. In it I placed the tubes. I put hot glue on their base so to fix them on the bottom of the vase. They are not absolutely close but – does that matter?

I then filled the system with distilled water and connected the output of the rectifier (12V) to the outer and the inner tube. When I tried to increase the amperage, no current was apparently running. Now I think: How could it, I used destilled water. I thought I\’d need destilled water. Do I need tap water instead?

And then my next burning question 🙂 What should I observe when charging the cell/ water? Do you have kind of a manual or instruction book? What are the electric tension and amperage to run and for how long? Will the water outside of the joe-cell also be charged? Should I avoid water outside of the outer tube?

Questions after questions, I hope this does not bother you too much.

Thank you for your assistance and best wishes

Matthias

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[Moshe Daniel]

Matthias Kamber wrote:

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Hello Moshe

The moe-joe-cell is not yet assembled, but I tried to set up the joe-cell in order to start charging the water.

My charging setup is as follows: I currently use a glass tube-vase of about 20 cm diameter and 25 cm height. In it I placed the tubes. I put hot glue on their base so to fix them on the bottom of the vase. They are not absolutely close but – does that matter?

hi there Matthias,

thank you for sharing your setup with us.
First of all, you have many problems in your setup.
Let me see if i can help you.

#1 Hot glue is not a good insulator between the cells.
better to use other spacers. Nylon, ebonite, acrylic…

#2 – you have to have the tubes covered in water… your tubes are sticking out. at least 1\” over the top of the tubes.

#3 – the charging works best when the negative is attached to the bottom and the positive is connected to the top (like it is). Also, always make sure to connect the negative first and the positive 2nd.

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I then filled the system with distilled water and connected the output of the rectifier (12V) to the outer and the inner tube. When I tried to increase the amperage, no current was apparently running. Now I think: How could it, I used destilled water. I thought I\’d need destilled water. Do I need tap water instead?

what you want is LIVE water. Spring water, from a live stream in the country, in the mountains.
if not, then you have to prepare your water.
There are different methods.
Swirler – see my swirler video –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOHbm7r_irA

You want to enliven the water. there is also a method of using many stainless steel plates to prepare the water.

and yes, distilled water is totally dead and it has no electrolytes, so it will not allow any current to pass.
you need to have some water with electrolytes (natural – don\’t add any)

also, with 12V, you\’re not going to see much activity at all. so don\’t expect to see much. but you will be able to feel things.

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And then my next burning question 🙂 What should I observe when charging the cell/ water? Do you have kind of a manual or instruction book?

no manual or instruction book. just lots of knowledge accumulated after years of study and experimentation.

Lots of this knowledge can be found here on this forum – through the joe cell and moe-joe cell discussions, and also at http://www.moe-joe-cell.com

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What are the electric tension and amperage to run and for how long?

it depends. there is no fixed exact amount which is right to charge.
one thing you can do is measure residual voltage between the inner and outer cylinders, and when these begin to decline, then you can charge again.
there\’s no exact science to this answer.
also, read the moe-joe cell threads – there are some ideas shared there too.

[Matthias Kamber]

Thank you for your feedback and the hints. I will go and apply the necessary changes. You\’ll probably hear from me again 🙂
Best, Matthias