[Moshe Daniel]

Robert Leistentritt wrote:

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Hi Daniel,

first of all thank you for your immediate reply, I really appreciate your support!

Ok, I\’ll try to repair the core.
In my opinion the Bismuth core with its 2 threaded rods is more or less MoeJoe\’s backbone. For that reason it should be robust to a certain degree.

I agree wholeheartedly with you.

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The weak point is that your construction has 2 rods. Why don\’t you use just 1 longer through going threaded rod and fix the Bismuth core in the middle of that rod? This way the Bismuth would not be stressed by any torque or any other force and it is also located exactly in MoeJoe\’s center. Do you raise any objection to such a repair?

yes, i do have an objection, although i\’d like to first day i appreciate your good thought.
it is an excellent thought for the physical solidness and robustness of the cell. however, with one rod, the very centre of the cell, the very very centre, would be
iron, and we want a diamagnetic material to be present there. it can just be water, which requires no cores, and a sort of a screw on 2\” hemispheres onto each other, or the bismuth core, which is…
not that robust.

I continue to ponder this problem and welcome any suggestions.

[Moshe Daniel]

hi there Robert,

first of all, my apologies for your broken core.
Unfortunately, as amazing as bismuth is, and it\’s my FAVOURITE metal, it is also quite soft and brittle.
i have tried to combat that with using the copper wire as a mesh for support and goop on the outside for both water seal and also support. however, sometimes, the cores will break. that\’s why we have to be gentle. even with your gentleness, it may have been too much for it.
this is not the first time a core has broken. but it can be repaired.

so, here\’s what your options are.
put the parts of the core back together.
use a strong bonding material which is not too toxic, or at least won\’t be after it is cured (dried and hardened)
i use goop. a silicon can be used too.
you may even want to do 2 coatings.

or, the other option, is to order another bismuth core.
try the first option first, and let us know how it went, ok?
you just basically need a firm central piece with the bismuth core there, and you\’re good!

Moshe

[Moshe Daniel]

Eli,

I appreciate your exploratory and curious spirit.
It is a key for advancements in science and technology and consciousness.
I do suggest / recommend you begin with the basics of the cell first. Get to know them, the feel, what it affects, and then branch out and see what else you can discover with various cores, etc.

[Moshe Daniel]

Eli Hanosh wrote:

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Hello everyone, I\’d like to start by apologizing because I know I may pose more then one question here that could take a bit longer then normal to read so please bare with me. Thanks

Hi Eli.
Welcome to Nutopia.
No need to apologize.
We\’ll try to answer your questions to the best of our ability.

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Being that I am also new to this technology I would like to pose a few questions in hope to gain a better understanding of the cell. First and foremost I have noticed many articles that tend to reverse the anodes and cathodes, as well as several cells that appear to induce their own magnetic coil within the center of their cell. With that in mind it appears that these cells can operate on a number of different platforms and may ultimately lead to completely different results. The reason I chose the MoeJoe as my ideal setup with the lack of experience that I have, is that nature has proven time and time again to produce the best results in any field of research. When one takes an Alchemical approach, one begins to analyze his surroundings when searching for answers. Being that the MoeJoe is the closest design to not only our planet but many other systems that can be found within our known universe, I would think it would remain prudent to first look to what we know when attempting to identify answers to what we don\’t. With that in mind I am curious as to first off what we are attempting to achieve with each cell. I am certain that the answer to that question may be different for every person on this forum, but I also believe the cell is quite capable of fulfilling each as well.

you\’re right Eli.
each person\’s approach or reason for working with the cell will be different.
However, there are two general categories that seem to be universal interests in the cell.
running ICE (internal combustion engines) either entirely fuelless, or supplemental the fuel with the moe-joe cell.
Also, using the cell for healing and consciousness related.
I would break down the consciousness aspect to –
healing. (the moe-joe cell, in particular, is very healing and soothing just to be around.)
balancing the male and female.
expanding consciousness.
accelerating the manifestation of intention – the cell does this by being tapped into the zero point field.

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So lets also begin by looking at our earth and its core which is said to be molten iron. With that in mind I would also like everyone to consider the stars and what humans believe their cores to be made of. For every physical body in space one can see very many similarities but also vast differences. I would challenge everyone to begin analyzing what happens when the system is modified aka the core material, the reversal of the cathode and anode, the medium in which the cell operates and report back your findings. Ultimately with the help and ideas of everyone I think we may truly unlock much of the cells mystery. Please feel free to also post the dangers associated with each modification as well, so we may also protect one another from potentially harmful situations. Thanks Eli

Hi Eli.
Are you saying we should have an iron core?
That could be interesting to explore.
please do so.
i personally don\’t feel the iron core is the way to go, because the center of the cell is a point of meeting or the neutral center of the inner sphere and the outer sphere. it is a place where balance takes place.
i think it has to be a diamagnetic material there, or, something capable of encompassing / holding both the +ve and -ve or male and female, whereas iron only really holds the male / +ve.

Another important point / question – is to consider the possibility that the core of the earth is not really molten iron. that\’s what \”they\” say. but it may be something entirely different. A scientist by the name of J. Marvin Herndon proposed that the core of the earth is really uranium.
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/earth-03k.html

if you want to try the core of the moe-joe cell being iron, it\’s worth a try. you can try with the solid iron ball in the centre / core. could be interesting.

about reversing the polarities – there are different results with rain production.
+ve inside, seems to clear weather.
-ve inside seems to bring rain / fog / cloud.

I prefer the -ve / female on the inside, because this, as you say, reflects nature, which is an important stance to take. It also felt better to me. when i reversed the polarities, +ve on the inside, i didn\’t feel too well being around the cell.

[Moshe Daniel]

Dendritic Xylem wrote:

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Thanks Moshe, this is good to know. I also thought about using quartz and/or magnetite sand instead of water.

yes! We have used magnetite. it feels nice, but that\’s about it. don\’t know what kind of influence it could / would have on car. but not too much, but needs to be seen.

As you may know, pyrolytic carbon is, BY FAR, the highest diamagnetic material. Interesting connection to alchemy, for sure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism#Diamagnetic_materials

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Considering how receptive water is to outside emotional influences, the water may be the very reason the devices are so temperamental.

that is a good point.
never thought of that.
i think it is also the stability of the mind of the user / owner of the cell.
did you ever see the movie \”The Illusionist\”?
You know when the magician won\’t let the Prince pick up his sword. he is using his mind to stabilize it to the floor and it won\’t move. we need to have that sort of strong focus to not allow other\’s emotional negativity and chaos to affect the cell. like a good dog owner. the cell is the dog. we\’re the \”owner\” – we have to show the cell what to do / to answer to.

[Moshe Daniel]

hi Sebastien,

Thank you so much for sharing this excellent resource.
The tutorials look great!

I don\’t know C language now, though, and don\’t plan on learning. But I am sure there are simple functions one can use to learn the arduino circuit, right?

Thank you again!

[Moshe Daniel]

Sebastien FERRAND wrote:

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the final key of the concept is the brain whitch control the motor witch assure to maintain the oscillation…
i want to use an arduino to make the possible !
wana help ? i work open source…

My friend Dav told me about the arduino, but i have no experience with it. i would love to learn how to use it, as i am having some ideas for a special kind of pulsed DC which i think will require the arduino to experiment with.

[Moshe Daniel]

Dendritic X,

I can confirm that some steel and nickel molecules do leach into the water during electrolysis.
but you\’d have to run your cells for loooong periods of time to break down the steel.
the only signs of etching on the steel I\’ve ever had came rom leaving 90 volts running over night, at 1amp.
yeesh. i forgot the cell on, and the water was boiling all night, and there was faint etching.
when we run at 12V, there is very little etching and electrolysis taking place.

the dry cell has some merit, sure, but the water is an important element in that it is diamagnetic, while the charging with electricity also plays another important role.
if you played with some other diamagnetic materials in the cell, you could have it dry as well. but you\’d lose out an essential element – the balancing of the electromagnetic fields with the application of electricity.

[Moshe Daniel]

Rob, that is interesting.
I don\’t know if that will work for the vortexer.
Let me know how it goes.

[Moshe Daniel]

Bedini-Powered Milkovic Oscillator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVCvP53Au60&feature=related

Wow!!

Incredible.

[Moshe Daniel]

I am very interested in what you come up with…
to decrease exposure of EMFs.
i know the water is great, even as it moves through the qater pump, but without EMFs… at all, that will be something great to see.

looking forward to seeing your design.

[Moshe Daniel]

Sebastien FERRAND wrote:

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I realy LOVE this guy !!!

I love this guy too Sebastien.
What a brilliant concept.
Thank you so much for sharing.
I know some of my friends here in Nutopia
will love this video.
so simple and so effective!

[Moshe Daniel]

Dendritic Xylem wrote:

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Hey Moshe, wanted to let you know the cell came in this week! It is very elegant in its simplicity. Can\’t wait to try it!

that is excellent. I am so excited to hear your feedback when you begin to charge it and begin the process.

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I\’m going to use distilled water even though it isn\’t as good as natural spring.
This is for three reasons….(1)-to keep the cell as clean as possible. (2)-to quell any arguments for hho production. (3)-to maintain scientific consistency regarding potential replications.

Where I do extoll your wonderful scientific intentions, distilled water is not the way to go. It\’s pretty much dead. they kill it in the distillation process. no life, and… there\’s no electrolytes, so it acts as a great insulator, with no activity in the water. you\’ll be frustrated with that.

Also, we\’ve long ago quelled the argument for HHO. we know the joe cell and moe-joe cell are not HHO producers… they can be made to do so, but that is a moot point now, in my opinion. perhaps you feel otherwise for some reason?

I like the idea of keeping a consistency – and distilled water is pretty consistent. it\’s just not going to work.

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I know the cell water needs to be charged before use. Should I do the initial charging in the house or in the car someplace disconnected from the engine?

I recommend you begin in the house. it\’s a sort of meditative, introductory process with the cell. you begin to awaken it with each charge, and it also has an impact on you. The zero point field, the north-south / yin-yang balance. Plus it\’ll be great for you to experience that before going into the car application.

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Also what is the best method of applying power. I read not to apply power constantly while running in vehicle. Should I go the route of just plugging it in the cigarette lighter every once in a while?

Don\’t charge the cell at all while the engine is running. always keep the negative battery terminal to the inner sphere (ie bismuth core bolt), on at all times. Charge for a minute or two a few times / day.

Once the car chassis and engine and all the metal is \”spun-up/charged\” by the cell, you don\’t need to do much charging of the cell. just enough to keep it awake and alive.

I know, not very scientific terms, but it\’s how i have experienced it, and others too.

Also, as an entirely different charging method: i recommend trying it with a 2nd battery to charge the cell in the car. with that set up, you could keep it plugged in for longer periods, and even experiment with it being connected during operation. it must be electrically isolated from the chassis and the negative of the cell is not connected to the car\’s negative battery terminal. it seems Joe had this setup when he drove his car fuel-less.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

[Moshe Daniel]

Rob Eklund wrote:

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Well I tried the aluminum foil inside page protectors (plastic sleeves that school papers go in).

It did indeed have a big effect on how the cell felt, but I cant say it was a good one. It did build up a charge my arm hairs would stand up when near it (like walking in front of a crt tv screen). But it did not feel \”good\” to be around if that makes sense.

I don\’t like the feeling of any aluminum around the cell or any orgone acumulator. it blocks the energy and also has a very \”tinny\” feel to it, especially in the foil form.

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Right now I am not sure if the materials need to change, how it is applied needs to,or if if just isn\’t a good idea, my first guess is to get rid of the plastic in favor of glass, or thick paper. glass should be a better insulator so I will start there.

i suggest acrylic. that is even better than glass.
expensive though.
and thicker is better too.
ideally, i wouldn\’t use aluminum either.
and the plastic is also not great for the feeling of the energy produced.

[Moshe Daniel]

Rob Eklund wrote:

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Just checking, what would you think of repurposing a trumpet or bugle if one could be found at a garagesale type of situation? The shape seems about right.

Shape is good.
metal is okay – may make for an interesting dynamic.
my problem with that is – i so love to watch the vortex.
almost seems like a shame not to be able to see it.

there are some awesome shapes in clear glass.
Joachim showed some pictures of that sort of shape earlier. You can even take a big 5 litre jug and turn it upside down…