The Moe-Joe Cell arrived!

[Dendritic Xylem]

Hey Moshe, wanted to let you know the cell came in this week! It is very elegant in its simplicity. Can\’t wait to try it!

I want to burn though the rest of my gas in my jeep because I\’m doing a fuel mileage test. Then I will install the cell to see if anything changes.

I\’m going to use distilled water even though it isn\’t as good as natural spring.
This is for three reasons….(1)-to keep the cell as clean as possible. (2)-to quell any arguments for hho production. (3)-to maintain scientific consistency regarding potential replications.

I know the cell water needs to be charged before use. Should I do the initial charging in the house or in the car someplace disconnected from the engine?

Also what is the best method of applying power. I read not to apply power constantly while running in vehicle. Should I go the route of just plugging it in the cigarette lighter every once in a while?

[Moshe Daniel]

Dendritic Xylem wrote:

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Hey Moshe, wanted to let you know the cell came in this week! It is very elegant in its simplicity. Can\’t wait to try it!

that is excellent. I am so excited to hear your feedback when you begin to charge it and begin the process.

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I\’m going to use distilled water even though it isn\’t as good as natural spring.
This is for three reasons….(1)-to keep the cell as clean as possible. (2)-to quell any arguments for hho production. (3)-to maintain scientific consistency regarding potential replications.

Where I do extoll your wonderful scientific intentions, distilled water is not the way to go. It\’s pretty much dead. they kill it in the distillation process. no life, and… there\’s no electrolytes, so it acts as a great insulator, with no activity in the water. you\’ll be frustrated with that.

Also, we\’ve long ago quelled the argument for HHO. we know the joe cell and moe-joe cell are not HHO producers… they can be made to do so, but that is a moot point now, in my opinion. perhaps you feel otherwise for some reason?

I like the idea of keeping a consistency – and distilled water is pretty consistent. it\’s just not going to work.

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I know the cell water needs to be charged before use. Should I do the initial charging in the house or in the car someplace disconnected from the engine?

I recommend you begin in the house. it\’s a sort of meditative, introductory process with the cell. you begin to awaken it with each charge, and it also has an impact on you. The zero point field, the north-south / yin-yang balance. Plus it\’ll be great for you to experience that before going into the car application.

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Also what is the best method of applying power. I read not to apply power constantly while running in vehicle. Should I go the route of just plugging it in the cigarette lighter every once in a while?

Don\’t charge the cell at all while the engine is running. always keep the negative battery terminal to the inner sphere (ie bismuth core bolt), on at all times. Charge for a minute or two a few times / day.

Once the car chassis and engine and all the metal is \”spun-up/charged\” by the cell, you don\’t need to do much charging of the cell. just enough to keep it awake and alive.

I know, not very scientific terms, but it\’s how i have experienced it, and others too.

Also, as an entirely different charging method: i recommend trying it with a 2nd battery to charge the cell in the car. with that set up, you could keep it plugged in for longer periods, and even experiment with it being connected during operation. it must be electrically isolated from the chassis and the negative of the cell is not connected to the car\’s negative battery terminal. it seems Joe had this setup when he drove his car fuel-less.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

[Dendritic Xylem]

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Where I do extoll your wonderful scientific intentions, distilled water is not the way to go. It\’s pretty much dead. they kill it in the distillation process. no life, and… there\’s no electrolytes, so it acts as a great insulator, with no activity in the water. you\’ll be frustrated with that.

Also, we\’ve long ago quelled the argument for HHO. we know the joe cell and moe-joe cell are not HHO producers… they can be made to do so, but that is a moot point now, in my opinion. perhaps you feel otherwise for some reason?

You don\’t have to convince me about the hho. I know it isn\’t that. I just didn\’t want to have to convince other people who are skeptics.

About the water. I don\’t like that two different natural waters will never be identical. Depending on what dissolved solids it contains, you may end up greatly lowering the life of the metal in the cell. I have measured rainwater which was alkaline in some places and acidic in others. Same with tap water. Have also seen ppm\’s vary from 20 to 250 in tap.

I have been making colloidal silver for a couple of years now. What about using that? We could start with distilled, then introduce silver particles as the electrolyte. There would also be 28 volts going into the water for hours on end to make the silver. I also have a bunch of strong 1\” x 1\” neodymium cylinder magnets. Could these help bring dead water back to life?

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i recommend trying it with a 2nd battery to charge the cell in the car. with that set up, you could keep it plugged in for longer periods, and even experiment with it being connected during operation. it must be electrically isolated from the chassis and the negative of the cell is not connected to the car\’s negative battery terminal. it seems Joe had this setup when he drove his car fuel-less.

Very interesting. So did joe leave his second battery circuit connected during operation? What about keeping the second isolated circuit charged with a small solar panel? Any drawbacks there?

[Rob Eklund]

I am not an expert, but from what I\’ve read, and what I am doing, is to keep the negative connected at all times and connect the positive for the charging. I have no idea if that would work with solar panels, but you should be able to recharge a battery with it if nothing else.

As far as I can tell spring water works the best of anything I have tried, however I have never tried colloidal silver.

[Dendritic Xylem]

I guess I should stick with what works for you guys. Spring water is abundant in my area. How about well water? My house uses it.

So…

What gives \’life\’ to water?

and…

What takes \’life\’ from water?

[Rob Eklund]

From what I have read and felt, the swirling motion and I believe some of the nateral stuff dissolved in the water give it life.

The best water is the kind coming from a spring all on its own, and not stored for an extended period.

You do seem to be able to restore some of the living properties of tap water by running it through a vortexer (there is a tread on here about them as well)

As far as \”killing\” water leaving it sit stagnent, using high pressure on it, exposing it to great heat/radio waves/microwaves, and chemicals seem to kill it the quickest.

If you want to see the basis for the living water claims, you could google:

viktor schauberger and or Masaru Emoto for a start

[Dendritic Xylem]

Thanks, I\’ve seen the Emoto documentary and studied some of schaubergers work in the past in relation to propulsion tech. I\’ll review it again.

[Rob Eklund]

The water wizard I think it was that had a lot of info. I think it was written by a callum coats