Running cells without water

[Dendritic Xylem]

How about running the cells without water?

Does anyone have experience or opinions about this?

Here\’s someone else\’s notes on this…
http://etheric.vpinf.com/joe-cell-cylinder-pk-test-1.html

[Rob Eklund]

That it interesting, I have not really looked at mine dry.

[Dendritic Xylem]

According to the link above, by eliminating the water we also eliminate the undesirable inconsistency of water filled cells and their conditioning.

The author of the link claimed that one of his dry \”jenny cells\” was mounted in an old truck which already had a fully charged joe cell. The timing was advanced by like 90 degrees already, which made it run very rough with the joe cell and petrol alone(I\’m not sure how it ran at all, with petrol on that kind of timing). The jenny cell addition supposedly made it run much smoother.

There\’s a very good reason I don\’t want to use water.

We are essentially creating an electrolysis cell with our units. The more the cell is charged, the more ss atoms will be stripped into solution. This is exactly how I make colloidal silver. It is also why our solutions end up rising in ppm of total dissolved solids during charging phase.

It\’s only a matter of time before our cells are stripped of enough metal to make them absolutely worthless.

By eliminating the water, we eliminate this electrolysis problem, and our cells might last 50 years instead of 10 or less. I would gladly sacrifice peak performance in order to gain consistency and reliability.

[Rob Eklund]

I guess all I can say is you can try it. Since as far as I know no-one really seems to know how these work, everything I read has been theories.

One thing would be if you can do it with a moe-joe cell it would remove the spacers from the guesswork.

[Moshe Daniel]

Dendritic X,

I can confirm that some steel and nickel molecules do leach into the water during electrolysis.
but you\’d have to run your cells for loooong periods of time to break down the steel.
the only signs of etching on the steel I\’ve ever had came rom leaving 90 volts running over night, at 1amp.
yeesh. i forgot the cell on, and the water was boiling all night, and there was faint etching.
when we run at 12V, there is very little etching and electrolysis taking place.

the dry cell has some merit, sure, but the water is an important element in that it is diamagnetic, while the charging with electricity also plays another important role.
if you played with some other diamagnetic materials in the cell, you could have it dry as well. but you\’d lose out an essential element – the balancing of the electromagnetic fields with the application of electricity.

[Dendritic Xylem]

Thanks Moshe, this is good to know. I also thought about using quartz and/or magnetite sand instead of water.

Considering how receptive water is to outside emotional influences, the water may be the very reason the devices are so temperamental.

[Moshe Daniel]

Dendritic Xylem wrote:

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Thanks Moshe, this is good to know. I also thought about using quartz and/or magnetite sand instead of water.

yes! We have used magnetite. it feels nice, but that\’s about it. don\’t know what kind of influence it could / would have on car. but not too much, but needs to be seen.

As you may know, pyrolytic carbon is, BY FAR, the highest diamagnetic material. Interesting connection to alchemy, for sure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism#Diamagnetic_materials

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Considering how receptive water is to outside emotional influences, the water may be the very reason the devices are so temperamental.

that is a good point.
never thought of that.
i think it is also the stability of the mind of the user / owner of the cell.
did you ever see the movie \”The Illusionist\”?
You know when the magician won\’t let the Prince pick up his sword. he is using his mind to stabilize it to the floor and it won\’t move. we need to have that sort of strong focus to not allow other\’s emotional negativity and chaos to affect the cell. like a good dog owner. the cell is the dog. we\’re the \”owner\” – we have to show the cell what to do / to answer to.