[Moshe Daniel]

You\’re welcome Nenad.
Here is some more information and ideas of where you can get some 316L stainless steel for the joe cell:

quote :

\”Hi Moshe,

Hang around a dairy, brewery or a yeast factory. Ask for off cuts. Check the tube, it should have the specification printed somehow on the tube. The experts may be able to tell you the grade by how it looks, handles and sparks. Tube is thin wall material, like 1.0 to 2.0 mm depending on diameter. Pipe is heavier wall thickness; that you may get at boilermakers, chemical plant manufactureres, shipbuilders.\” Tony from the Joe cell community

[Moshe Daniel]

hi Nathaniel,

I am a little reluctant to use the moe-joe cell for every single wish or need. However, there\’s nothing wrong with being more comfortable financially, for instance, with a better paying job.
Usually, one looks to the underlying desire.
More financial abundance.
i would stay away from a higher paying job.
i would also stay away from defining how much you want to make per hour, especially since, once you open yourself to receive more financial wealth / abundance, you could land a job that pays even more than you\’re asking for now.

I also would like to say that I find many people tend to go right to the money issue with manifesting – ie The Secret. that is so heavily tilted toward money, manifesting stuff, things, that it is a big turn off for me to see.
I suggest beginning with even more important things – like joy, happiness, friendship, health, and then later, work your way into the material things like job, pay, salary, etc.

there is nothing wrong with manifesting a better paying job. but if that is the only focus with the cell and with manifestation, then i\’d say, it is out of balance.

[Moshe Daniel]

Hi Nenad,

Here is what i found for you:

Viktor from the Joe cell group said: We call it \’ 1.4404 \’ quality steel, or \’acid proof stainless steel\’

http://www.perkor.hu/hu/hasznos+info/anyagminosegek+osszehasonlito+tablazata/anyagminosegek+osszehasonlito+tablazata+1.html

[Moshe Daniel]

Hi Nenad,

You cannot use copper in an underwater application where electricity is involved. it will completely corrode in a very fast way. I\’ve tried it. A long time ago when I was first developing the moe-joe cell.

plating with chrome or nickel will also not help.
you really need good solid magnetic-free 316 stainless steel. ideally, 316L (L means Low carbon – it makes it less magnetic)

As far as acid or alkali – i say, neither.
I definitely wouldn\’t add anything.
i like a pH neutral or a little alkaline, if anything.

Alex Schiffer has a section on the acid-alkali question in Experimenter\’s Guide to the Joe Cell.

[Moshe Daniel]

it\’s true Rob.
I like to word my prayers / intentions to the Creator in the following: \”Thank you God for blessing me with peace of mind and heart so I can greater serve.\”

I thank God for the blessing of the wish I am intending on…

never use the power of the cell, or any prayer for that matter, to harm another.

Moshe

[Moshe Daniel]

Nathaniel Morales wrote:

quote :

Hey Moshe,

What kind of wishes can we pray for when using the moe-joe cell?

You can pray or focus on manifesting any wish.
The moe-joe cell creates a field of balanced positive energy, that opens up the zero point field. The zero point field is a zone of pure potential – so all intentions can be accelerated and/ enhanced with the cell, especially while it is charging and while you are in meditation.

quote :

and what comes out of this bismuth core? spiritus mundi?

hmmm, Spiritus mundi…
I think there is a way of setting up the cell to collect spiritus mundi, but it is very advanced. I think now, what comes out of the core of the cell, is more like scalar waves, a balanced form of orgone, \”zero point field juice\” – forgive the very unscientific term. 😛

[Moshe Daniel]

Oh I see.
that is something we haven\’t tried.
Sounds interesting.
I\’d like to hear about it.

[Moshe Daniel]

Rob,

You and my friend Tophur, also here on Nutopia, think alike. he actually tried that on the Moe-joe cell.
the problem is that the discharges are so infrequent.
it probably would have some effect on the unit charge…
but it didn\’t seem to do much in terms of charging.

i\’ve tried charging with high voltages, and wasn\’t impressed with the results.
never tested \”unit charge\” though.

[Moshe Daniel]

There may be some \”crossover\” between the Joe cell and moe-joe cell \’unit charge\’ theory by James Goss, and the development of negative ions on the swirlers. check this thread out – Latest From James Gosshttp://www.nutopia.cc/forum/joe-cell/363-james-goss-qunit-chargeq-joe-cell-theory?limit=10&start=20#475

In particular this quote is relevant to the Swirlers:

quote :

\”I recall that water fountains used for generating negative ions will only produce ions for extended periods of time if the pump motor is referenced to earth ground, as it is on a 120 volt AC pump motor. Ground reference within the AC line bleeds off positive charge buildup in the water so as to not attract negative ions that have already been released.\” James Goss

[Moshe Daniel]

Latest from James Goss on the Unit Charge for Joe Cell – which may also have some implications and reflections for our Swirlers. Check it out:

quote :

Hello all,

What happens to a Joe cell\’s unit charge when the cell is placed on an engine having earth reference, which is the case for all vehicles? Although a cell has the ability to generate thousands of volts while earth isolated, with an earth reference unit charge appears to not exist. If viewed from a different prospective, it can be seen that having an earth reference might be an advantage. Because a cell is not displaying high values of positive unit charge does not signify the unit charge process is not continuing.

High values of unit charge will not be generated by a cell installed in a vehicle due to conductivity of the tires. However, since an earth ground reference is bleeding charge off, this indicates a circuit between earth and cell does exist. This also indicates that a cell\’s unit charge process is still in operation on a vehicle having earth reference, even though high voltage is not being generated by the cell. Energy will flow between earth and cell as long as unit charge is trying to develop. With a positive unit charge the direction of flow for bleeder current is from earth to cell. Without constant energy flowing between the two, positive unit charge develops. Thus it\’s logical that unit charge must maintain a bleeder current between earth and cell, since high voltage is not developed.

Since I first witnessed a Joe cell\’s unit charge, I have noticed that each time unit charge is produced by the cell it\’s never the same value. As an example: One time it might reach 1,500 volts, the next time 500 volts, next time 10,000 volts, and so on. It is certainly unpredictable, and at times the cell can have several good runs in a row. Once charge approaches its maximum value for that particular run, the cell seems to give up and charge remains near that value for the rest of the run.

Apparently when unit charge reaches a certain positive value on a given run, negative ions leaving the cell water are attracted back to the cell\’s high positive charge value. At this time there is no additional positive charge placed on the cell. If the fan removing vapor from the cell has its speed increased, the charging process resumes until the cell stalls again.

I recall that water fountains used for generating negative ions will only produce ions for extended periods of time if the pump motor is referenced to earth ground, as it is on a 120 volt AC pump motor. Ground reference within the AC line bleeds off positive charge buildup in the water so as to not attract negative ions that have already been released.

If batteries are used as the electrical source for a water fountain pump motor, the fountain will supply negative ions for a short period of time and then stop altogether, due to negative ions returning to the water. With water fountains and waterfalls it is to some extent the evaporation process which produces negative ions. This same process is occurring in Joe cells, but electrolysis greatly enhances the process.

Thus having ground reference allows a cell\’s unit charge process to continue even though no high voltage is produced. As long as a cell is releasing negative ions from the cell water\’s surface, energy must be flowing between earth and cell to keep the unit charge process near a balanced state. Balanced in this case implies the number of negative charges leaving a cell by way of enhanced evaporation is equal to the positive charges neutralized by way of earth ground. As long as earth bleeder current prevents the positive unit charge value from becoming excessive, a Joe cell should constantly generate negative ions while electrolysis is active.

Thanks,
James Goss

[Moshe Daniel]

Chris,
That is excellent. Beautiful stuff brother.

How are you conducting healing with the cell?
Is it just that you\’re in the field and it\’s enhancing the healing you would do normally?

I have had people sitting or standing close to the moe-joe cell and they\’ve had dramatic healing just by touching the glass, or hands near the glass. Some have felt the cell \”knows\” where to go – the energy must be seeking the points of imbalance / blockage / trauma.

So you\’re keeping that 6V battery on at ALL times?
or off and on?

How much current is the cell drawing from the 6V battery?

[Moshe Daniel]

Robert,
I don\’t recommend doing that.
first of all, you won\’t be able to pull apart the 2\” spheres IN CASE something happens, like you forget the cell is chargingandyou leave for a week to the Bahamas.
Come back and it\’s all mush inside and you need a deep clean.
Secondly, in my understanding, welding the steel changes its properties, and you\’ll have an unbalanced steel at the 2\” – some of it may even be strongly ferromagnetic – capable of attracting a magnet. this is not desired.

[Moshe Daniel]

Hi Robert,

What is a melding machine? I am not familiar with that.
Can you post a picture here of it and let us know what it does, how it operates?

Moshe

[Moshe Daniel]

Robert Leistentritt wrote:

quote :

Daniel, some other questions:

• what ist the plastic cap of the bolt for? Mine is much too big, so it does not snap on the electrical connection bolt of the outer sphere.

It is to ensure that the +ve electricity is \”seen\” only on the inner surface of the 5\” hemisphere.
otherwise, the electricity would focus a lot on the head of the screw, because it is so close.

I use to include a little additional piece to allow for it to snap, but, it caused a lack of electrical connection with the head of the screw.
i put a small amount of goop glue and the head stays on fine.

quote :

• which kind of goop do you use? I looked it up and found several diffenent types of goop

I use plumber\’s goop or household goop.
either one works well.

quote :

• is it necessary to disassemble MoeJoe completely sometimes e.g. for cleaning purpose? If it is, how often should this be done?

I normally keep it assembled for cleaning.
i fill the cell up and empty it out 3 times with decent water, and then let it drip dry for an hour, and then refill it with my good charged water.

[Moshe Daniel]

What a beautiful diagram. nice design!
I am a little unsure what the bismuth is being held by?

i see a threaded pipe on the inside.
then you have threaded more threaded rod inside that?
is that right?