[Moshe Daniel]

Elianodi Eliano wrote:

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Hey Guys.

I am starting to charge the Moe-joe, 4 to 6 times a day, using the VARIAC mehtod with 1amp current. M getting it at 51 Volts.
I noticed that my water is getting a dark green color.
Is that normal or should I start charging from the beginning?

Hi Eli,

That\’s great that you\’ve begun charging.
I am so happy.
Do you feel the energy of the cell?
What would you describe it as?

About the greenish colour, that is often normal.
Depending on what quality your water is in, you\’ll get different colours. A yellow-green colour is to be expected when charging because it is a building up concentration of nickel and iron. The more of this stuff you get into the water, the more toxic the water is, the less you should drink of it. But you can still use a few drops of it and then vortex it in with other fresh water.

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Also noticed those brownish residues starting to form in the water and the outer surface of the cell. What is the cause of that ?

it can be from gunk in the water, or from charging at higher voltages and probably iron oxide, or a lot of iron. It comes from the metal – it is natural part of electrolysis – the higher the voltage and amperage, the more of this stuff you\’ll get. Lately, I\’ve been charging much lower voltages and current. around 12V and less than 100mA – this allows me to charge for longer. i get very very little change of water colour and no brown scum.

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Also I used a tissue bag that I had at home to filter, but m not sure if it is the kind recommended by MOshe ( Blue Shop towel). What is the recommended kind of towel to use so I can get in my country?

I recommend a thick blue shop towel. 🙂 :laugh:
But you can try to use coffee filters – wet them first with other water, or you\’ll lose a lot of water being absorbed. If you have very thick, tough paper towels, that may work too. After doing the filtering of the water, the water will diminish in orgone content a lot – but once cleaned, it can be charged up even better than better.

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Also while charging I notice that the bubbles as soon as they form I immediately attracted to the Negative pole.

I am also keeping the cell closed while putting the electricity on it as well as while its left alone. Is there any danger to have an explosion because Oxygene and hydrogen gas are released ??

it depends on how air tight it is, and how strong the vessel is in. But the answer is YES, there is a risk of explosion if the vessel is very strongly sealed to air.

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How many days it takes usually to reach a stage 3 cell ?

it usually takes me a few days, and at least one filtering of the water.

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And till now I still have a Zero voltage residue , and I have been charging for three days

can you send us a picture of your setup Eli?
Maybe there is something I can suggest.

Moshe

[Moshe Daniel]

Elianodi Eliano wrote:

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Hey Guys,

I would love to know if someone has experience with surrounding the Moe-joe with Crystals and Orgonite.
Will that enhance the charge of the cell ??

yes, I have done so and I have seen enhancement with crystals and orgonite. Arno, our friend from The Netherlands, speaks a lot about crystals and the cells.
check out our global charging page here –
http://www.nutopia.cc/nutopian-public-forum/global-moe-joe-a-joe-cell-charging-prayer-a-healing-sessions

Also, any form of orgone or orgonite is going to bring more cleaner, and more charged energy / orgone into the area of the cell, which enhances the cell\’s environment.

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And how the cell can be healed for healing and directing it to the body ??
Also how is it used to expand consciousness and awareness and spirituality ?

the simple answer is – just having the cell charging and charged up in your space, will help healing. it creates a balanced field – north-south, or yin-yang, or male-female, and being in its presence is very healing. You can put your hands on the cell when it is charging and it helps to bring balance and bring a lot of healing orgone into your cells. I have used the cell for years for this purpose.

It also creates an opening to the zero-point field, so it can enhance the potential of intention – ie the power of the mind to create what it focuses on. it enhances that.

If you go to my youtube channel – http://www.youtube.com/user/MosheDan9?feature=mhee – you\’ll see some videos on the Healing Chamber. that\’s another example.
this video, in particular, shows the use of the moe-joe cell with some \”channeling\” of the energies through copper tubes and crystals into the chakras. VERY nice stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yVr8ZXeS7I

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If I put a glass of water near the Moe-joe, will it structure and charge the water with Orgone ??
Thank You !!

I don\’t know if it will structure the water. it may add some charge. but the best way to do this is to take some water, like a few mls of the charged moe-joe water, and put it into fresh, clean water and to VORTEX them together.

[Moshe Daniel]

Hi Eli,

The men who are really working on the SS coils are Dave Lowrance and Bernie Heere. I remember the page where they have this information – it is here –
http://resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/Celery.htm

Bernie is also a fellow Nutopian member here.
You can write him a personal message. I am sure he\’ll be happy to give you some more info.
http://www.nutopia.cc/profile/userprofile/bernieheere

Moshe

[Moshe Daniel]

Paul Sevryukov wrote:

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Hi Daniel!
1) What will happen to the water in the moe-joe cell if it freezes?

when suddenly the water in the moe-joe cell freezes, and then it (the water), thawed, it will lose charge?

if the water freezes, the cell will lose its charge.
frozen water will also expand and may damage / destroy the cell, if it is close to being full.
when the cell freezes and then thaws, the water may still have a strong charge. I am not sure.
the ideal temperature to keep the cell at would be 4oC – as this is the point of anomaly of water – when water contains the most orgone.

it should also be noted that a well-charged cell will freeze at a lower temperature.

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2) Alex Schiffer – Joe Cell – Experimenters Guide to the Joe Cell – http://merlib.org/node/999
quote * When the cell is removed from the car, the engine takes an appreciable time to return
to \”normal\” and run from the original fuel.
question: Will the engine operate normally if you remove the moe-joe cell?

it will take the car some time to adjust with the moe-joe cell too. but it will still function.
it may be a little \”choppy\” for a while.

[Moshe Daniel]

Elianodi Eliano wrote:

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I have a question considering the Lid of the container. I bought one that doesnt have a lid.
Does the lid need to be glass ?? what about Plastic or Stainless steal ??

Glass is the best, then stainless steel, then plastic. plastic will block the orgone a bit.

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Does it need to be air tight when leaving the cell to charge ??

it doesn\’t need to be, but if you\’re looking for bubbles, (which is also not really important),
but if you are, then air tight will help.
one thing that does help is putting a vacuum on the cell. it will increase its power and performance.

Thanks for sharing here Eli. B)

[Moshe Daniel]

Hi Paul, I\’ll see if I can get Peter to send us some more information.

[Moshe Daniel]

Bill,

Thank you so much for being a part of this unifying endeavour and for being the bold one to post first to this nubie forum. WELCOME!!

And, please, don\’t hesitate to write your questions, comments, and ideas about Joe cell, moe-joe cell and the motorcycle. i\’d love to work through stuff with you through this forum.

Blessings!

Let us know when you\’re ready for the HeartH Agreement!

Moshe

[Moshe Daniel]

Elianodi Eliano wrote:

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Well Moshe,

thanks for your reply.
Since this energy is being attracted to the ignition coil spark, this spark must be behaving like a high
density orgone charge (Or whatever it is ).
Reich always said that Orgone has a blue radiation,
and the spark of the coil or the flame of a stove
is a blue as well. This is an open discussion of course,
but if we need to shoot orgone to water or to a sick
body part, is it sufficient to meditate and ask the cell
to fill the object or organ with orgone energy ?

i think it\’s important to define the term \”sufficient\” – what does that mean? Will orgone / healing energy get to the sick body part? or water?
we know our thoughts can influence such things for certain. if our thoughts and faith is pure pure and clear and full of faith, then yes, i\’d say that would do the trick and we don\’t need technology. but how often are we in such a clear state? that\’s why we develop technologies – to facilitate these things.
We don\’t need them, but they are of assistance.

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On the other hand, if I have a small half horse power water pump, 370W running 4 meters away from the Moe-joe, will this affect the Quality of the energy accumulated by the cell ? Can\’t this be easily overcome by surrounding the cell with orgonite, the one\’s made by Don Croft, or Orgone generators as well ?

4 meters is a pretty good distance, and shouldn\’t affect the cell too much. you can test if you have a very sensitive magnetic field detector – or a compass – you can try to see if the EM field from the water pump reaches to the cell. i say, probably not.
orgonite helps a lot, especially with DOR, and is great around the cell, but it wouldn\’t stop a heavy duty EMF that is too nearby.

[Moshe Daniel]

Elianodi Eliano wrote:

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Hello Moe Joe Lovers,

I feel excited to join you guys, because I am getting
my Moe-Joe soon, and I\’ve been reading about Orgone
for quite a while.

we\’re very excited to have you join us!! :woohoo:

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I got two questions to share:

1- Since Orgone is a \” Negative Entropy\” type of energy,how is it possible to shoot orgone from the highly charged water from the cell through the hose,
to the outside of the cell, to the engine or to a low-charged object, whether it is water, or a body organ ?

i don\’t think the question really applies to the engine. First of all, yes, the moe-joe cell does accumulate orgone, but is that the only energy being involved? Probably not. Some say, scalar energy, some say, neutrinos… who knows? I think, however, that whatever it is, it is attracted to the high volt ignition coil spark… like moths to a flame. it gets converted there. it may meet its union of opposites.

Also, one can say that the mind, our minds, guides or gives the orgone / energy (whatever it is) a pathway. the cell \”knows\” what it is meant to do. this is where a good Y factor helps and a poor one, detracts from the cell\’s capacities in the engine.

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2- Does the Moe-joe, or joe cell accumulate DOR, or negative orgone, identified by Reich, or it just gives POR, or positive Orgone ?

it can create negative energy when exposed to EMFs, magnetic fields from electronic devices, overhead wires, yes. it can create some DOR, but is mostly positive orgone.

great questions!

Moshe

Thanks guys for your interest,
All the best & more[/quote]

[Moshe Daniel]

Hi Pier Luigi,

You only have to seal the outer hemispheres, and this is only if you have the car cell. If you have the water charging kit, you do not have to seal anything on the moe-joe cell, only the very bottom of the glass jar where the bolt comes through.

Moshe

[Moshe Daniel]

Darc Wood wrote:

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Cheers for the advise Moshe
Excellent… paralel works a treat, thanks.

Great! I am so glad it worked! Excellent.
How does it feel?

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Now this filtering water business, as im in Australia im not sure about the cloth you refernece, are we talking like coffee filter sort of thing?
I cant figure how you filter a yellowy water… and get it clear from straining through a cloth?? or do i change the water the first few times I charge the cell… then when it stays clear, thats the water i use for filtering and refueling the car cell?

The filters I use are the car kind.
Check out this link – has a description.
http://m.canadiantire.ca/mt/www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/4/Auto/CarWashingCleaning/ChamoisTowels/PRDOVR~0396641P/Blue%252BShop%252BTowels.jsp?locale=en

These work best doubled up – so I will use 2 of them and wet them with fresh, clean water, and then put them in a large funnel – then filter.

You can never get yellowish water to go perfectly clear. it\’s not going to happen. But you do want to get all the big gunk out – that\’s important. The very fine particles of nickle / iron, are what give the water that colour. it\’s not a bad thing. it increases the water\’s conductivity somewhat.

if you\’re sensitive to the energies, you can sense how charged the water is – of course, the sign of bubbles hanging out on the surface without breaking (when the container is sealed – they won\’t stay very long when exposed to the air) is a sign that you\’ve got good, charged water.

You can compare with some of my youtube videos (also seen on my site – moe-joe-cell.com – on the charging page – to see some good results and how the water looks.

[Moshe Daniel]

Hi Darc,

The Bedini system has probably already saturated the moe-joe cell – or, the moe-joe cell simply cannot absorb all the energy from the charger, and you\’re getting the warning neon light on.

I suggest you ALSO connect a charging battery in paralel. this way, you\’ll be charging the moe-joe cell AND absorbing the excess energy.

Let me know how that works. You should feel quite a lot of energy from the moe-joe cell, and because this is radiant energy, you can charge quite a while. Some people complain of headaches from this, but I haven\’t had that, maybe just a feeling of orgone saturation.

Bismuth core is good for this.

[Moshe Daniel]

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[Moshe Daniel]

Hi Piotr,

I really don\’t understand this last statement / question. Can you take a look at it again and reword it in a different way so I can understand?

[Moshe Daniel]

Piotr,
I used to think this. Now, I honestly do not know. There is a lot of revision of many old ideas happening right now, about Joe, about Alex. There\’s the Hull effect, there\’s the idea of charging the water in the coolant, and the oil – there\’s many ideas out there.
This idea of stage three seems valid – the cell is holding a charge and it will not lose that charge at stage 3 and the energy will be conveyed to the engine and also, to the entire car through the negative pole of the battery and that is connected to the whole chassis.

i think for now, it may be useful to follow that as an idea, as there are no other ideas, at this time, which are very solid and developed.