Rob Eklund
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If history is a guide, I would guess it could be. Anytime anything is made that would be a threat to the staus quo, it gets squashed if possible.
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from Moshe via e-mail
\”what is coming from this for me, is that the cell may need to be connected to a 2nd battery in the car – once that is not connected to the chassis. this may make a big difference.
have to experiment with this now.\”My comeent.
This is kind of what I was thinking, cell and battery isolated from the truck, connected only by the tube. The metal of the car should pick up a charge anyway just by being in the area. (If my guess is right).In my truck there is a ton of room under the hood near the radiator on the drivers side. (enough so I can stand there with the engine running)
I was thinking of locating the cell there, next to radiator, below carb level, from there the tube would be running upwards and in a straight line to a point on either the manifold, or the carb.
Do you recommend a vacuume set up, or a blind plug to try first?
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I\’m not an expert, but it seems to be a matter of balancing the flow rate, speed of the vortex and the opening size.
I suspect if you slowed the input speed the surface tension of the water would hold it together on exit. Maybe a larger input tube would slow it enough? (if your pump has a fixed flow rate the speed would be determined by the size of the tube)
If the one you have gives you good water I wouldn\’t mess with it, but maybe would play with a different one.
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Surface tension could do that, from the bottom of the vortexer there is a little over an inch drop to the water. I did that so I could see the water coming out.
My understanding is that it should exit as a stream, not a cone, if that makes sense to you. Schauberger, I think, said it should be like a stream of \”boar urine\” (not sure of the exact animal)
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I did have a question for you. What have you noticed as far as the noises your vortexer makes when you first start it up on a batch of water?
With the city tap water it starts with a sucking sound, then makes bubbling noises for maybe a few hours, then it gets quiet except for maybe a suction noise now and then.
With the spring water both of the batches I have started have only done a little of the sucking noise and were then silent.
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This is my vortex maker, it is really low tech. it\’s a beer bottle with a bunch of n50 magnets held with rubber bands down through the neck. It sits in a stainless cooking pot, and at this point it uses a little dc powered pump to move the water into a off center tube sealed into the side of the bottle, the neck is reduced to .250 inch by a stainless plug I made with a tapered I.D. (Large opening on top)
This picture is with the spring water in it, I always just put 2 gallons at a time in it.
With the tap water, it steadies out at about the level of the top of the top row of magnets. when the water gets above that it seems to have some of the properties you are looking for. (It does seem to rise after a day or two.) With the spring water it went straight to this level and has been steady there all day.
I know its not a great picture but I think you can make out the vortex and water level.
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I found a source of spring water, This is one of the roadside parks that has a constant natural flow year round here. also fron all of the published water quality test I have seen this one is pretty average.
http://www.premierwatermn.com/waterblog/frederick-miller-spring-water-quality/
One thing I noticed right away, not sure what it means, the water level in my vortexer is about an inch and a half higher than it is while running tap water.
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What would you think of an earthenware container for the cell, something along the line of a glazed clay? Just wondering if the more natural form may be of benefit.
Normally the one lead is connected at the bottom,I admit I took the quickest routh to connect this one to see if the stainless bowl would work.
I attached a picture of what I had in mind, it\’s a salt glazed clay jug.
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On the pump, I think it was in one of Schauberger\’s books, or in one about him, anyway they claimes that the centrifugal force, and the somewhat high pressure going through the pump, is not ideal. So I thought that the screw, or even using a bucket to lift the water and let gravity drive it down may increase the charge.
I know the the system will work, I do have something pretty similar. They were just ways that could possibly improve it, that are a bit out of my fabrication abilites at the moment.
Ill try to find the referance to the pump in my library again.
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I was wondering if you have ever thought of something along the lines of an Archimedes screw to fill a reservior and gravity feed the water through this? I have heard pumps are not good for what you are trying to get. Also if you are really creative you could serial feed several in a line, one from the out on another.