[Moshe Daniel]

Peter smith wrote:

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What is another elements of balance except of tenders? Do you have any idea (voltage, water, material – steel…)

Peter, I am not sure I understand what you mean by tenders?

voltage, water, material, yes, these all have roles to play, for sure. and it is important to have them correctly.

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Why the cost is so high – it is cost of stemp (in my country new stemp cost about $ 200), what is the reason so high reason

it\’s a good question. it is a precision machine, i suppose that is the reason. they must cut a mold / die with very high precision. if you can make mold /die for $200 that is excellent.

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Another question – did you have any information about Bill Williams. I read that he start his truck – Ford on cell i 2006 IV and after that he has (problably) visit MIB – \”man in black\” – But the most important is this that he found the way which is working. He use normal cylinders (not spheres) cell

that is the same i heard about Bill Williams.
His truck that he had running the joe cell was very unstable. but it was strong enough to run his truck for a short period without any fuel. he had success, but he, like many other joe-cellers, could not control it.
the joe cell seems to be unstable in this fashion and some believe it is because of the \”chaos\” field that the cell is tapping into to get its power. so the very energy of Chaos that helps to run the cell cannot be controlled for any long period of time.

[Moshe Daniel]

Peter smith wrote:

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I ask about this – if cell is tremoring (like string in gitar) it helps in collecting orgone?

good question.
i guess you could say so, although i don\’t think that is actually what the resonating spheres will do.
it is creating a harmony to open up the zero point field so that more \”ether\” or i guess you can also say \”orgone\” can flow through. i see the resonance as being important for balance.

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i have checked it later when I began to get really into creating a resonating moe-joe cell.
in order to get custom sizes costs $10,000 ++ for the molds / dies. i will do this in the future. –

So it is mean that when you try to get this effect (tremoring) in \”cylinder\” cell it costs more than $10 000

no. it means that in order to create exact custom sizes, it costs $10,000 / size.

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In previous message you (Moshe)suggested that it is good idea to bulit 3 sphere cell? yes? Should it works so good like 4 sphere cell

it is a good question and requires proper investigation, but my feeling is that the 3 sphere moe-joe cell is the best, and is even better than the 4 sphere moeo-joe cell.

more research needs to be done to be sure.

Imagine is Now!
Moshe

Happy Christmas for everyone[/quote]

[Moshe Daniel]

Peter smith wrote:

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So

It means that if I want to collect orgon efficiency it should be effect tremor. Of course the highest tremor is on the sphere with the smallest diameter, so the next sphere has smaller frequency tremor and the best effect is when different frequency between one and next diameter is about whole octave or multiple octave.

not exactly. just because it is a lower frequency, it does not mean it is less in energy, or resonance, do you understand?
the smallest sphere sets the \”root\” note… the baseline note, and because it is the smallest, it is the highest frequency, not resonance, just higher frequency.

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We take C7 only of this reason that it will be easer to calculate next diameter.

yes?

yes. you can use c10, c12, also… to make easier calculations.

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If any body check the rule for cell with normal cylinders?

i have checked it later when I began to get really into creating a resonating moe-joe cell.
in order to get custom sizes costs $10,000 ++ for the molds / dies. i will do this in the future.

[Moshe Daniel]

Peter smith wrote:

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Thanks Moshe

So. If I understood good.
Our aim is have the same rezonans beetwen 1 – st and 2 – nd and 2 – nd and 3 – rd and 3 and 4

and remember, good resonance is not only the octave,
but also the major 3rd, major 5th and some say, 4th, although, i would probably NOT do 4th.

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So we should have first and second diameters – the best is to have 2x bigger second diameter) and after that we calculate 3rd and 4th dianameter

yes. this is it!!

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Why you think that relation 2X is the best

because it creates the OCTAVE, which is the same note, but on a higher or lower level – these resonate very well together.

so 30, 60, 120 – these are all OCTAVES of each other.

now, you are just missing the 3rd one, which will make the spaces between the 2nd 3rd and 4th unequal –
but, i think this is okay.

another option, and it is probably the better way to create a moe-joe cell, is to have only THREE spheres.

the root – the 2nd – the third.
the third will be 2X the root.
the 2nd will be somewhere close to the halfway size, but not quite, to give the harmony there.

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Why we should take c7? Not c3 or c 5 or c2…

it is only because c7 has a higher frequency, and since we are dividing by a big number, for the volume of the larger sphere, i used a higher frequency.
you could use c200 c 5000 or c5, it doesn\’t make a difference bc they\’re all the same NOTE, harmony of octaves.

let me know what you find for your 3rd sphere.
or… if you choose to go with just 3 spheres…
even better, in my opinion.

[Moshe Daniel]

Peter smith wrote:

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Hi

Thanks Moshle.

Please put here link there is information how to calculete the best dianameter.

hi Peter.
It is my calculations, nowhere is there a link.
In some other literature, you can calculate resonant frequency of a SOLID sphere, for instance, if you know the material used. I am assumining that the WATER is all the same, so it is really a matter of VOLUME which determines the resonance of the size.

use this page to calculate the volume –

http://www.calculatorfreeonline.com/calculators/geometry-solids/sphere.php

Now, when we have 2x the size, for instance
(1 millimeter = 0.0393700787 inches)
30mm = 1.1811\” – Volume = 6.90162 in3
60mm = 2.3622\” – Volume = 55.21298 in3

divide 6.90162 by 55.21298 to get RATIO.

Go to http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html
to get Frequencies.
We do not know exactly what the FREQUENCY is going to be for any sphere because of many unknown factors. We can only imagine that the inner sphere is the ROOT note and then compare frequencies based on relative volumes.

therefore, 6.90162 divided by 55.21298 = 0.125

So if we imagine that our ROOT note is C7 – 2093.00 Hz,
then the LARGER VOLUME sphere will be 0.125 (or 1/8th) the frequency, because as a sphere gets larger in volume, it gets a lower frequency – sounds DEEPER.

So… 2093 x 0.125 Hz (1/8) =
261.625 Hz which when we look at the page on frequencies we see this is – C4 261.63 Hz – EXACTLY the 3rd lower OCTAVE, which proves that frequencies will be resonant when the diameters of the spheres are DOUBLES of each other, because doubles are OCTAVES in frequencies – this is also true for lengths of wires, coils, etc.

We know the 120mm sphere is good too!! because it is 4X the size of the root sphere and 2X the size of the 2nd sphere.

Okay – so what you have to do is look for the 3rd sphere diameter to be some resonant frequency (which is an octave, a major 3rd, major 5th) of your root note.

Do you understand?
Let me know if you have any questions.

About Goop – i believe it is silicone based…
but has other ingredients which makes it easy to clean.

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Previously i read that it should by as a Fibonacci sequence (alex S. materials) but I know that it could only theory.

1,1,2,3,5,8…

1 and 2 is good, cause it is double.
1-3 is 3X – very dissonant relative frequency, and
2 – 3 is very dissonant too.
2\” – V = 33.51032 in3
3\” – V = 113.09734 in3

Ratio – 33.51 / 113.09734 = 0.29629
So if 1\” is root note – 2\” is a lower octave, so it is essential the same as the root note, only lower, so –
if we take any given root note – C again – 2093 Hz –
and apply that ratio (0.29629) we get – 620.14 Hz which is basically D#5/Eb5 622.25 – this is a Flat 3rd – minor 3rd, which is sad and dissonat. NOT good.

so… i don\’t like the fibonacci sequence for the sizes.

[Moshe Daniel]

I think both 25mm and 30mm is quite small to have as the smallest size.
it is not even 1.5\” in diameter, for the 30mm.
the sizes themselves are okay.

30mm and 60mm will resonate with each other, bc it is 2X – the octave in size. so no problem.
120 mm is 2X 60mm which is fine – 2x is the octave and will also resonate.
120mm is 4x the size of 30mm which is fine.

the trouble you run into is the 90mm size is 3X the size of the 30mm, which when dealing with any given ROOT frequency, eg C note – 1046.50 Hz, when you apply the ratio to size, we look to a lower frequency for a larger sphere, and the ratio of the frequency is diminished by 3X (related to the volume) so the volume is affected by 27 times (because for sphere volume is r-to the power of 3) so 3x to power of 3 = 27.
So with frequency of 1046.50hz divided by 27 – we arrive at frequency of 38.76 which is very close to D#1/Eb1 38.89 Hz
This is a very dissonant note.

So they are all RESONANT with each other, GOOD, but the 90mm is NOT.
I do not think it is possible to keep the same spaces, 30 – 30 – 30 between them and to have 4 spheres, equally spaced, and to have a good resonance with all of them.
you would have to have different sizes.

[Moshe Daniel]

Peter smith wrote:

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Hi

I try do this with 0,6 mm thin steel, but my supplier can’t do this with so thin plate. I try to find supplier which have stamps with right dimentions.

good luck Peter.

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My next question.
When I made hemisphere 30 60 90 120 mm except of 25 50 75 100 mm (1, 2 3, 4 cal). It has influent on joe cell work?

I dn\’t understand the question. can you rephrase the question please?

[Moshe Daniel]

Hi Nada,
no. it\’s not a problem with your privacy level.
It is a problem with one of the modules\’ code on our site.
I am going to fix this now. I\’ll let you know when it is resolved.
Thanks for sharing this with us.

[Moshe Daniel]

Peter,

you don\’t need 2 mm.
My moe-joe cells are made from 22 gauge steel, which is
.0253\” thick which is 0.642mm… This is very stable steel.
I believe you could even use so thin as 24 gauge – .0201\” which is 0.51mm – but this is the very thinnest I would go.

And it is tooo expensive to SPIN the cells.
You have to look for Metal Stampers.

[Moshe Daniel]

nada nada wrote:

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Thanks for reminding me about Dave L\’s endorsement. But the link http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/Celery.htm no longer works.

I managed to find it here… http://magnetism.vfedtec.com/Celery.htm

thanks for the update Nada.
I will update also on my website. (and i guess edit that post in this topic.

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Has anyone had success with his node/length test (8.475cm & 7.025cm stainless wire touching the outer sphere)?

I have not. and i must confess, i am not certain how to apply it. Do you have a clear idea about how to apply that, Nada? It would be interesting to try to do so.

Anyone else know how to do so?
Maybe I can get Bernie to check out this topic and give us some insights.

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(Moshe: Is the post preview button broken? Every time I click, I get a link to the intro video)

We are working on it. It has to do with the fact that the forum is trying to use the index.html file of the intro video page to display the preview.
Should be fixed soon.

[Moshe Daniel]

Hi Peter,

I supply these spheres, as hemispheres.
it\’s a very inexpensive way to get the cells, believe me.

http://www.nutopia.cc/store?page=shop.browse&category_id=12

[Moshe Daniel]

I can attest.
These are very tasty… and energizing! :laugh:

[Moshe Daniel]

this discussion between Alex and I is really continued here –
http://www.nutopia.cc/forum/moe-joe-cell/66-about-moe-joe-cell-for-healing-and-consciousness#68

And led to some interesting continuing revelation about the joe cell and the moe-joe cell.

[Moshe Daniel]

I then responded:

Dear Alex,

Alex wrote:<>

you\’re welcome, and thank you too. truly.

As you are now talking about healing and balancing we have a whole new ball game.
I will again state that a properly constructed spherical cell is light years ahead of a Joe cell.
I have always stated that and nothing has changed, the Joe cell is nowhere near as good for healing.

ummm, errrrr…. ahem.
right… i knew that. 😉

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okay, so I actually understand this statement. Somehow it took you to express it in this way for me to understand.
Perhaps it took me until now to understand what you were trying to say.
I have been really focused on the balance, on achieving the balance.
if what you say is true, and i am actually able to understand it now to consider it, then my mind seems to have been always more tuned in for the healing and consciousness aspect of the cell and so creating a cell that would bring a great balance, as close to perfection, i worked toward creating that in the moe-joe cell.

now, i actually understand what you\’re saying \”we deliberately make and capture the unbalance so as to beam it where we want the event (recombination) to occur.\”

VERY interesting concept that, until now, I had not been able to grasp.

If this is, in fact, the true reason how the joe cell functions to run a combustion engine, then i can now understand your point in saying that the moe-joe cell is not suited for the running of a combustion engine. i also understand that my conviction in knowing that the moe-joe cell was better for healing because of the much better balancing of opposites and then my subsequent assumption that this meant it would also make it better for the car function may have been wrong.

this is truly new for me.
I apologize for my strong reactions to you, Alex.
I really thought you were dismissing the entirety of the moe-joe cell, which I KNEW was untrue, and so, i really thought you were coming from a place of baseless opposition (and, as I called it, trying to maintain a status quo – splashing in a pool 🙂 rather than application-specific opposition. This discussion on healing made it easy for me to distinguish the difference.

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this all sounds really logical. it makes some sense, but there is something about the theory that is bugging me.
i\’ll have to sit on it for a while and see if I can express what this pea under the mattress really is.
for one thing, the alchemists do use spherical glassware, and even express it that it is a reflection of the world and the universe. although others use the egg shape.
i have pondered the idea that the egg shape may be better than the sphere, but i don\’t think so, for the balancing… but maybe for the car.
our world, most certainly is spherical, as are our experience of the stars around us. In fact, on some very special nights, one can really appreciate the spherical nature of the universe around us.

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where this does, again, make sense Alex, and with my new understanding of what you\’ve been trying to say,
there is still something bugging me about it, especially since it is possible that one can create in the centre of the cell, in this case, the moe-joe cell,
the \”third\” energy that is created by the union of the two right there in the neutral centre.
So within a physically-based universe, we\’re stuck, cause how are we going to get that energy out?
But really, this is where I think it is still possible to tap into and call upon and use this inner core energy despite it being physically inside the parameters of the cell. Meyl proposes that the high voltage spark of the ignition attracts these energy particles that he believes are neutrinos, like moths to a light. they travel through all the physical stuff just as do the neutrinos from the rays of the sun and are ignited by the high voltage sparks, to be converted to negative-force energy and to absorb heat through an implosive process.

So even though I actually feel quite elated and relieved to have found harmony with you, I still think the moe-joe has the potential, in a different fashion,
to do what the joe cell does.

Can you consider the possibility that we are bringing those opposites together in a cell close enough to the source where the energy will be used…
and it is only slightly more physically distant than, for instance, creating them apart to bring them together at the engine.
no matter how close we get to the engine to reunite the divided forces, we cannot get closer to the engine block itself, since it is grounded negative. (although i have always wanted to have the engine block isolated and connected positive, this was too much work and effort and impractical – and would still not being able to bring the divided energies any closer than the engine itself)
even with the joe cell, we\’re still not able to unite the forces we generated in separation from each other any closer that 1/4\” from the engine block.
this difference between the center of the moe-joe cell, say a couple of feet from the pistons and ignition, and the joe cell, from the edge of the engine block,
cannot be making all the difference… can it?

You have helped me really understand the problem with trying to emulate the joe cell\’s way of channeling energy to the engine.
For this, I have to look deeply at this and possibly accept that the moe-joe cell is hopeless to achieve fuel-less results.
But I feel that the moe-joe cell has some other way of achieving what we\’re seeking.
I thank you for your patience in hashing this out with me.

Moshe

p.s. if you no longer work with the car, and are just focused on the healing aspect, and you recognize the moe-joe cell as being superior for that purpose,
well… would you like to try out one of my moe-joe cells? (may I suggest you try with the bismuth core)
Shipping fees are on the house!! 🙂

[Moshe Daniel]

Alex Schiffer then replied:

Hi Moshe,

I enjoyed your friendly and informative post, just like a ray of sunlight that comes through the storm clouds, thank you.

As you are now talking about healing and balancing we have a whole new ball game.
I will again state that a properly constructed spherical cell is light years ahead of a Joe cell.
I have always stated that and nothing has changed, the Joe cell is nowhere near as good for healing.

But, and that is a big but, we do not want a balanced cell for car use. We deliberately make and capture the unbalance so as to beam it where we want the event (the recombination, the balance) to occur.

If you look at the Universe to where the formative actions are occurring you will see a distinct lack of spheres, it all vortexial/spiral action. However when the formative action `solidifies\’ it will form a sphere such as the planets.
If you look at the Anu, the Ben Ben stone, the Egyptian radiation devices, the offerings of Ani, the Ark of the Covenant, The Great Pyramid cap stone, the alchemical furnaces, the superformed nucleus, the humble bird egg, the natural shapes of water, the natural shapes of clouds, Schauberger motors, etc. you will only see non–spherical objects. Even the atom is a sphere that is slightly flattened, with a depression where the force comes in, thus it is heart shaped.
If we want action we do not want balance.

As you know the positive or male is where the force comes from and the negative or female is where the force disappears, the in and out breath of the Ultimate intelligence.
As the `breath\’ is returning (the negative/female) we take the opportunity to modify subtle fields that contains all the building blocks/energies that we need and use to run our car.

The distortion and \”flaw\” that you feel is what we want for car use, for if the cell was balanced
we could not `tap\’ it. It is unbalance that seeks rest and this desire results in action, the ones we seek for car use.
These \”holes\” as you call them are the vortexial exit/entry points on the Joe cell and that is why we extract the field from the female, the innermost cylinder and beam it up the transfer tube which is the balancing male outer. Yes, it is crude but it works.
If you read up on Cameron\’s research into transmitting subtle fields you will see that he used cones and spirals to `beam\’ the field just as we do in the Joe cell.

With the Joe cell the interior of the inner cylinder is neutral, the outer of the inner cylinder is a strong negative (female) and the outer cylinder is a strong shielding positive (male). Between the inner and outer cylinders there is a gradual potential gradient, there is no mixing or clashing of the fields.
To see the vortexial representations have a look in Walter Russell\’s book `The Universal One\’ as one picture is worth a thousand words.

In short, we want an unbalance in the cell to create a desire for a motive for the subtle field to seek balance elsewhere. Objects will remain at rest unless acted upon by an external force. The spherical cell is far more homogenous, more balanced and for that reason the spherical cell (especially if filled with water) is not as suitable for car use.

The Joe cell works because we provide it an external balance so its product can accomplish its desire for evolution to the next higher level in the great scale of things.

Obviously the above is my viewpoint and I realize it disagrees with yours. Maybe somewhere in all our writings lies a better explanation.

Kind regards,

Alex.