• My joe cell

     Moshe Daniel updated 13 years, 6 months ago 2Members · 30 Posts
  • Peter Smith

    Member
    November 30, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Hello everybody

    I would like to ask if anybody built your own cell.

    In these days I do it, as a ball. So I have question how high level water shoul be inside the cell – ball

    P.

  • Moshe Daniel

    Member
    November 30, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    Hi Peter,

    the water level, usually, should be around 1\” below the tops of the tubes. See this picture.
    http://www.thelastfourbooks.com/Kabbalah/Joe_Cell/Joe_Cell_Stage_3c.jpg
    This is from my Joe cell archives page.
    http://www.david-house-productions.com/House-of-David/alternative_energy/joe_cell.html#Joe_Pics

    You\’ll notice that the water level is around even with the tops of the tubes, but NOTE: this is because it is a water charging kit and not the actual joe cell that is installed in the car.

  • Peter Smith

    Member
    December 7, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Hello everybody

    If anybody know how to seal Cell in ball shope , by Teflon or special glue. I thing that will create “negative” cell

    I try to do it by spinning from flat plant but it is not cheap
    What is the best way to create Cell in ball shope?

    p.

  • Moshe Daniel

    Member
    December 7, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Hi Peter,

    I am assuming you mean that you\’re looking for a cell in ball shape. Is that right?

    You have come to the right place since I invented and designed the Moe-joe cell, which is the spherical joe cell.

    go to my website here – http://www.moe-joe-cell.com and then come back and post to the moe-joe cell forum.

    i usually use goop to seal the outside of the moe-joe cell spheres, and yes, this does work to create negative cell.

  • Peter Smith

    Member
    December 8, 2010 at 12:42 am

    Hello

    What is the \”Goop\” – it is material or part of something

    Regards
    P.

  • Moshe Daniel

    Member
    December 8, 2010 at 2:39 am

    Peter smith wrote:
    What is the \”Goop\” – it is material or part of something>>

    it is a GLUE which works very nicely. cleans up well too. all in one piece, not annoying like silicone which never really comes off very well.


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  • Peter Smith

    Member
    December 17, 2010 at 11:59 am

    Hello

    What kind of thechnologi could be made spherical shope of cell.

    I will do it by spinning and palet will have 2 mm. If some body knows better, cheaper way to create this?

    p.

  • Moshe Daniel

    Member
    December 17, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    Hi Peter,

    I supply these spheres, as hemispheres.
    it\’s a very inexpensive way to get the cells, believe me.

    http://www.nutopia.cc/store?page=shop.browse&category_id=12

  • Peter Smith

    Member
    December 19, 2010 at 12:07 am

    Hi

    In my country (in Poland) the cost is about 300 dollars. Not everone can do this, with 316l material – 2mm thickness. Of course made two hamisphere.

    So it is not cheap.

  • Moshe Daniel

    Member
    December 19, 2010 at 2:52 am

    Peter,

    you don\’t need 2 mm.
    My moe-joe cells are made from 22 gauge steel, which is
    .0253\” thick which is 0.642mm… This is very stable steel.
    I believe you could even use so thin as 24 gauge – .0201\” which is 0.51mm – but this is the very thinnest I would go.

    And it is tooo expensive to SPIN the cells.
    You have to look for Metal Stampers.

  • Peter Smith

    Member
    December 19, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    Hi

    I try do this with 0,6 mm thin steel, but my supplier can’t do this with so thin plate. I try to find supplier which have stamps with right dimentions.

    My next question.
    When I made hemisphere 30 60 90 120 mm except of 25 50 75 100 mm (1, 2 3, 4 cal). It has influent on joe cell work?

  • Moshe Daniel

    Member
    December 19, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Peter smith wrote:

    quote :

    Hi

    I try do this with 0,6 mm thin steel, but my supplier can’t do this with so thin plate. I try to find supplier which have stamps with right dimentions.

    good luck Peter.

    quote :

    My next question.
    When I made hemisphere 30 60 90 120 mm except of 25 50 75 100 mm (1, 2 3, 4 cal). It has influent on joe cell work?

    I dn\’t understand the question. can you rephrase the question please?

  • Peter Smith

    Member
    December 19, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    I do cell with diameters 30 mm 60 mm 90 mm 120 mm. it will be better or worse than made with diameters 25 mm 50 mm 75 mm100 mm I hve problem with my supplier, he dont have so small tools…

  • Moshe Daniel

    Member
    December 20, 2010 at 12:28 am

    I think both 25mm and 30mm is quite small to have as the smallest size.
    it is not even 1.5\” in diameter, for the 30mm.
    the sizes themselves are okay.

    30mm and 60mm will resonate with each other, bc it is 2X – the octave in size. so no problem.
    120 mm is 2X 60mm which is fine – 2x is the octave and will also resonate.
    120mm is 4x the size of 30mm which is fine.

    the trouble you run into is the 90mm size is 3X the size of the 30mm, which when dealing with any given ROOT frequency, eg C note – 1046.50 Hz, when you apply the ratio to size, we look to a lower frequency for a larger sphere, and the ratio of the frequency is diminished by 3X (related to the volume) so the volume is affected by 27 times (because for sphere volume is r-to the power of 3) so 3x to power of 3 = 27.
    So with frequency of 1046.50hz divided by 27 – we arrive at frequency of 38.76 which is very close to D#1/Eb1 38.89 Hz
    This is a very dissonant note.

    So they are all RESONANT with each other, GOOD, but the 90mm is NOT.
    I do not think it is possible to keep the same spaces, 30 – 30 – 30 between them and to have 4 spheres, equally spaced, and to have a good resonance with all of them.
    you would have to have different sizes.

  • Peter Smith

    Member
    December 20, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    Hi

    Thanks Moshle.

    Please put here link there is information how to calculete the best dianameter.

    Previously i read that it should by as a Fibonacci sequence (alex S. materials) but I know that it could only theory.

    So please put the link with information how to calculate the best dianameters for cell

    And please give me chemical composition of GOOP. I try to find something similar on my local market

  • Moshe Daniel

    Member
    December 20, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    Peter smith wrote:

    quote :

    Hi

    Thanks Moshle.

    Please put here link there is information how to calculete the best dianameter.

    hi Peter.
    It is my calculations, nowhere is there a link.
    In some other literature, you can calculate resonant frequency of a SOLID sphere, for instance, if you know the material used. I am assumining that the WATER is all the same, so it is really a matter of VOLUME which determines the resonance of the size.

    use this page to calculate the volume –

    http://www.calculatorfreeonline.com/calculators/geometry-solids/sphere.php

    Now, when we have 2x the size, for instance
    (1 millimeter = 0.0393700787 inches)
    30mm = 1.1811\” – Volume = 6.90162 in3
    60mm = 2.3622\” – Volume = 55.21298 in3

    divide 6.90162 by 55.21298 to get RATIO.

    Go to http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html
    to get Frequencies.
    We do not know exactly what the FREQUENCY is going to be for any sphere because of many unknown factors. We can only imagine that the inner sphere is the ROOT note and then compare frequencies based on relative volumes.

    therefore, 6.90162 divided by 55.21298 = 0.125

    So if we imagine that our ROOT note is C7 – 2093.00 Hz,
    then the LARGER VOLUME sphere will be 0.125 (or 1/8th) the frequency, because as a sphere gets larger in volume, it gets a lower frequency – sounds DEEPER.

    So… 2093 x 0.125 Hz (1/8) =
    261.625 Hz which when we look at the page on frequencies we see this is – C4 261.63 Hz – EXACTLY the 3rd lower OCTAVE, which proves that frequencies will be resonant when the diameters of the spheres are DOUBLES of each other, because doubles are OCTAVES in frequencies – this is also true for lengths of wires, coils, etc.

    We know the 120mm sphere is good too!! because it is 4X the size of the root sphere and 2X the size of the 2nd sphere.

    Okay – so what you have to do is look for the 3rd sphere diameter to be some resonant frequency (which is an octave, a major 3rd, major 5th) of your root note.

    Do you understand?
    Let me know if you have any questions.

    About Goop – i believe it is silicone based…
    but has other ingredients which makes it easy to clean.

    quote :

    Previously i read that it should by as a Fibonacci sequence (alex S. materials) but I know that it could only theory.

    1,1,2,3,5,8…

    1 and 2 is good, cause it is double.
    1-3 is 3X – very dissonant relative frequency, and
    2 – 3 is very dissonant too.
    2\” – V = 33.51032 in3
    3\” – V = 113.09734 in3

    Ratio – 33.51 / 113.09734 = 0.29629
    So if 1\” is root note – 2\” is a lower octave, so it is essential the same as the root note, only lower, so –
    if we take any given root note – C again – 2093 Hz –
    and apply that ratio (0.29629) we get – 620.14 Hz which is basically D#5/Eb5 622.25 – this is a Flat 3rd – minor 3rd, which is sad and dissonat. NOT good.

    so… i don\’t like the fibonacci sequence for the sizes.

  • Peter Smith

    Member
    December 21, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    Thanks Moshe

    So. If I understood good.
    Our aim is have the same rezonans beetwen 1 – st and 2 – nd and 2 – nd and 3 – rd and 3 and 4
    So we should have first and second diameters – the best is to have 2x bigger second diameter) and after that we calculate 3rd and 4th dianameter
    Why you think that relation 2X is the best
    Why we should take c7? Not c3 or c 5 or c 2…

  • Moshe Daniel

    Member
    December 21, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    Peter smith wrote:

    quote :

    Thanks Moshe

    So. If I understood good.
    Our aim is have the same rezonans beetwen 1 – st and 2 – nd and 2 – nd and 3 – rd and 3 and 4

    and remember, good resonance is not only the octave,
    but also the major 3rd, major 5th and some say, 4th, although, i would probably NOT do 4th.

    quote :

    So we should have first and second diameters – the best is to have 2x bigger second diameter) and after that we calculate 3rd and 4th dianameter

    yes. this is it!!

    quote :

    Why you think that relation 2X is the best

    because it creates the OCTAVE, which is the same note, but on a higher or lower level – these resonate very well together.

    so 30, 60, 120 – these are all OCTAVES of each other.

    now, you are just missing the 3rd one, which will make the spaces between the 2nd 3rd and 4th unequal –
    but, i think this is okay.

    another option, and it is probably the better way to create a moe-joe cell, is to have only THREE spheres.

    the root – the 2nd – the third.
    the third will be 2X the root.
    the 2nd will be somewhere close to the halfway size, but not quite, to give the harmony there.

    quote :

    Why we should take c7? Not c3 or c 5 or c2…

    it is only because c7 has a higher frequency, and since we are dividing by a big number, for the volume of the larger sphere, i used a higher frequency.
    you could use c200 c 5000 or c5, it doesn\’t make a difference bc they\’re all the same NOTE, harmony of octaves.

    let me know what you find for your 3rd sphere.
    or… if you choose to go with just 3 spheres…
    even better, in my opinion.

  • Peter Smith

    Member
    December 22, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    So

    It means that if I want to collect orgon efficiency it should be effect tremor. Of course the highest tremor is on the sphere with the smallest diameter, so the next sphere has smaller frequency tremor and the best effect is when different frequency between one and next diameter is about whole octave or multiple octave.

    We take C7 only of this reason that it will be easer to calculate next diameter.

    yes?

    If any body check the rule for cell with normal cylinders?

  • Moshe Daniel

    Member
    December 23, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Peter smith wrote:

    quote :

    So

    It means that if I want to collect orgon efficiency it should be effect tremor. Of course the highest tremor is on the sphere with the smallest diameter, so the next sphere has smaller frequency tremor and the best effect is when different frequency between one and next diameter is about whole octave or multiple octave.

    not exactly. just because it is a lower frequency, it does not mean it is less in energy, or resonance, do you understand?
    the smallest sphere sets the \”root\” note… the baseline note, and because it is the smallest, it is the highest frequency, not resonance, just higher frequency.

    quote :

    We take C7 only of this reason that it will be easer to calculate next diameter.

    yes?

    yes. you can use c10, c12, also… to make easier calculations.

    quote :

    If any body check the rule for cell with normal cylinders?

    i have checked it later when I began to get really into creating a resonating moe-joe cell.
    in order to get custom sizes costs $10,000 ++ for the molds / dies. i will do this in the future.

  • Peter Smith

    Member
    December 24, 2010 at 12:09 am

    I ask about this – if cell is tremoring (like string in gitar) it helps in collecting orgone?


    i have checked it later when I began to get really into creating a resonating moe-joe cell.
    in order to get custom sizes costs $10,000 ++ for the molds / dies. i will do this in the future. –

    So it is mean that when you try to get this effect (tremoring) in \”cylinder\” cell it costs more than $10 000

    In previous message you (Moshe)suggested that it is good idea to bulit 3 sphere cell? yes? Should it works so good like 4 sphere cell

    Happy Christmas for everyone

  • Moshe Daniel

    Member
    December 24, 2010 at 5:48 am

    Peter smith wrote:

    quote :

    I ask about this – if cell is tremoring (like string in gitar) it helps in collecting orgone?

    good question.
    i guess you could say so, although i don\’t think that is actually what the resonating spheres will do.
    it is creating a harmony to open up the zero point field so that more \”ether\” or i guess you can also say \”orgone\” can flow through. i see the resonance as being important for balance.

    quote :

    i have checked it later when I began to get really into creating a resonating moe-joe cell.
    in order to get custom sizes costs $10,000 ++ for the molds / dies. i will do this in the future. –

    So it is mean that when you try to get this effect (tremoring) in \”cylinder\” cell it costs more than $10 000

    no. it means that in order to create exact custom sizes, it costs $10,000 / size.

    quote :

    In previous message you (Moshe)suggested that it is good idea to bulit 3 sphere cell? yes? Should it works so good like 4 sphere cell

    it is a good question and requires proper investigation, but my feeling is that the 3 sphere moe-joe cell is the best, and is even better than the 4 sphere moeo-joe cell.

    more research needs to be done to be sure.

    Imagine is Now!
    Moshe

    Happy Christmas for everyone[/quote]

  • Peter Smith

    Member
    December 25, 2010 at 1:11 pm
    quote :

    i guess you could say so, although i don\’t think that is actually what the resonating spheres will do.
    it is creating a harmony to open up the zero point field so that more \”ether\” or i guess you can also say \”orgone\” can flow through. i see the resonance as being important for balance.

    What is another elements of balance except of tenders? Do you have any idea (voltage, water, material – steel…)

    quote :

    no. it means that in order to create exact custom sizes, it costs $10,000 / size.

    Why the cost is so high – it is cost of stemp (in my country new stemp cost about $ 200), what is the reason so high reason

    Another question – did you have any information about Bill Williams. I read that he start his truck – Ford on cell i 2006 IV and after that he has (problably) visit MIB – \”man in black\” – But the most important is this that he found the way which is working. He use normal cylinders (not spheres) cell

  • Moshe Daniel

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    December 26, 2010 at 3:50 am

    Peter smith wrote:

    quote :

    What is another elements of balance except of tenders? Do you have any idea (voltage, water, material – steel…)

    Peter, I am not sure I understand what you mean by tenders?

    voltage, water, material, yes, these all have roles to play, for sure. and it is important to have them correctly.

    quote :

    Why the cost is so high – it is cost of stemp (in my country new stemp cost about $ 200), what is the reason so high reason

    it\’s a good question. it is a precision machine, i suppose that is the reason. they must cut a mold / die with very high precision. if you can make mold /die for $200 that is excellent.

    quote :

    Another question – did you have any information about Bill Williams. I read that he start his truck – Ford on cell i 2006 IV and after that he has (problably) visit MIB – \”man in black\” – But the most important is this that he found the way which is working. He use normal cylinders (not spheres) cell

    that is the same i heard about Bill Williams.
    His truck that he had running the joe cell was very unstable. but it was strong enough to run his truck for a short period without any fuel. he had success, but he, like many other joe-cellers, could not control it.
    the joe cell seems to be unstable in this fashion and some believe it is because of the \”chaos\” field that the cell is tapping into to get its power. so the very energy of Chaos that helps to run the cell cannot be controlled for any long period of time.

  • Peter Smith

    Member
    January 4, 2011 at 1:17 am

    Hi

    I calculate dianameter and dimations will be

    25 mm
    40 mm
    163 mm

    Ratio 0,244

  • Moshe Daniel

    Member
    January 4, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Peter smith wrote:

    quote :

    Hi

    I calculate dianameter and dimations will be

    25 mm
    40 mm
    163 mm

    Ratio 0,244

    Ok Peter. so you are beginning with 25mm, which is 2.5 cm, which is 0.98425inches, which is wayyyy too small, in my opinion. I think the minimal size you want is 1.5\” or 38mm.

    then from there, did you check the resonance?

    assuming that the 25mm is the \”base note\” then the 40 mm sphere would be the following…

    For the 25 mm V = 0.49925 in3
    For the 40 mm V = 2.04493 in3
    4.096004006009014 times the volume –
    So a frequency 4X lower.
    If we use C7 2093.00 Hz then 510.99 Hz for the 40mm sphere.
    B4 493.88 69.9 C5 523.25 65.9 C#5/Db5 554.37 62.2
    So it is between a B and a C note –
    It is 97.65615448939571 % close to the root note. This is not too bad, but it is not great.
    Now for the 163 mm sphere – the volume is V = 138.37501c3 which is 277.165774661993 times more.
    R’ = 3.208655”
    C11 (for calculation purposes) – 33488.08 Hz / 277.166
    = 120.8235747850158 Hz
    A#2/Bb2 116.54 296.
    B2 123.47 279.
    This note is between a Flat 7th and a 7th note – it is not very good.
    C3 130.81 it is 92.36570199909471% close to resonance with the C octave.
    This is not resonance.

  • Peter Smith

    Member
    January 6, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    So
    Then I start from 35 mm

    r1 = 17,5 mm v1 = 22, 4493 cm3
    r2 = 22 mm V2 = 44,6022 cm3
    r3 = 28 mm v3 = 91,95232 cm 3

    Ratio1 (v1/v2) = 0,5033227
    Rario2 (v3/v2) = 0,48505

    so
    c7 2093 next 1053 (near c6 1046) and 507 (near 523)

    What do you thing Moshe it should be good?

  • Moshe Daniel

    Member
    January 7, 2011 at 1:49 am

    Peter smith wrote:

    quote :

    So
    Then I start from 35 mm

    r1 = 17,5 mm v1 = 22, 4493 cm3
    r2 = 22 mm V2 = 44,6022 cm3
    r3 = 28 mm v3 = 91,95232 cm 3

    Ratio1 (v1/v2) = 0,5033227
    Rario2 (v3/v2) = 0,48505

    so
    c7 2093 next 1053 (near c6 1046) and 507 (near 523)

    What do you thing Moshe it should be good?

    So Peter, the three sizes of your moe-joe cell are:
    \”35 mm, 44 mm and 56 mm\” is that right?

    you have to also test the ratio between the Root, the first, 35mm sphere, and the outer sphere is also important.
    so you have 91,95232 & 22,4493 – ratio is 0.24414
    So the note relationship would be 0
    C7 2093 for root and 510.9864 Hz which is close to C5 523.25

    closeness there is 97.6563% – not too bad. i think you have it there.
    if you made the third one a little smaller, it may be better.
    like try 55 or 54 mm.

    Moshe

  • Peter Smith

    Member
    January 7, 2011 at 8:44 am

    So
    You calculate ratio between 1 – st and 3 – rd sphere.

    What about charging water. A dont want built special cylinders for preparing water. I would like prepare water in this (above) cell (sphere).

    The question is
    the water level shoul be above 2-nd shpere (of course after assemble)?

  • Moshe Daniel

    Member
    January 7, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    Peter smith wrote:

    quote :

    So
    You calculate ratio between 1 – st and 3 – rd sphere.

    you calculate ratio between 1st and 2nd, between 1st and 3rd, and between 2nd and 3rd.

    quote :

    What about charging water. A dont want built special cylinders for preparing water. I would like prepare water in this (above) cell (sphere).

    the cell that goes into the car has to have very little holes so that the water doesn\’t leak out. But for this reason, it doesn\’t make it quite as good for charging the water… but yes, you can still use it to charge the water.

    quote :

    The question is
    the water level shoul be above 2-nd shpere (of course after assemble)?

    i fill the cell almost right up. If you begin charging and making lots of bubbles, some water might flow outside the cell, but that is okay. you\’ll find the right level.

    Imagine is Now!
    Moshe

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