about moe-joe cell for healing and consciousness

[Moshe Daniel]

Alex Schiffer then replied:

Hi Moshe,

I enjoyed your friendly and informative post, just like a ray of sunlight that comes through the storm clouds, thank you.

As you are now talking about healing and balancing we have a whole new ball game.
I will again state that a properly constructed spherical cell is light years ahead of a Joe cell.
I have always stated that and nothing has changed, the Joe cell is nowhere near as good for healing.

But, and that is a big but, we do not want a balanced cell for car use. We deliberately make and capture the unbalance so as to beam it where we want the event (the recombination, the balance) to occur.

If you look at the Universe to where the formative actions are occurring you will see a distinct lack of spheres, it all vortexial/spiral action. However when the formative action `solidifies\’ it will form a sphere such as the planets.
If you look at the Anu, the Ben Ben stone, the Egyptian radiation devices, the offerings of Ani, the Ark of the Covenant, The Great Pyramid cap stone, the alchemical furnaces, the superformed nucleus, the humble bird egg, the natural shapes of water, the natural shapes of clouds, Schauberger motors, etc. you will only see non–spherical objects. Even the atom is a sphere that is slightly flattened, with a depression where the force comes in, thus it is heart shaped.
If we want action we do not want balance.

As you know the positive or male is where the force comes from and the negative or female is where the force disappears, the in and out breath of the Ultimate intelligence.
As the `breath\’ is returning (the negative/female) we take the opportunity to modify subtle fields that contains all the building blocks/energies that we need and use to run our car.

The distortion and \”flaw\” that you feel is what we want for car use, for if the cell was balanced
we could not `tap\’ it. It is unbalance that seeks rest and this desire results in action, the ones we seek for car use.
These \”holes\” as you call them are the vortexial exit/entry points on the Joe cell and that is why we extract the field from the female, the innermost cylinder and beam it up the transfer tube which is the balancing male outer. Yes, it is crude but it works.
If you read up on Cameron\’s research into transmitting subtle fields you will see that he used cones and spirals to `beam\’ the field just as we do in the Joe cell.

With the Joe cell the interior of the inner cylinder is neutral, the outer of the inner cylinder is a strong negative (female) and the outer cylinder is a strong shielding positive (male). Between the inner and outer cylinders there is a gradual potential gradient, there is no mixing or clashing of the fields.
To see the vortexial representations have a look in Walter Russell\’s book `The Universal One\’ as one picture is worth a thousand words.

In short, we want an unbalance in the cell to create a desire for a motive for the subtle field to seek balance elsewhere. Objects will remain at rest unless acted upon by an external force. The spherical cell is far more homogenous, more balanced and for that reason the spherical cell (especially if filled with water) is not as suitable for car use.

The Joe cell works because we provide it an external balance so its product can accomplish its desire for evolution to the next higher level in the great scale of things.

Obviously the above is my viewpoint and I realize it disagrees with yours. Maybe somewhere in all our writings lies a better explanation.

Kind regards,

Alex.

[Moshe Daniel]

I then responded:

Dear Alex,

Alex wrote:<>

you\’re welcome, and thank you too. truly.

As you are now talking about healing and balancing we have a whole new ball game.
I will again state that a properly constructed spherical cell is light years ahead of a Joe cell.
I have always stated that and nothing has changed, the Joe cell is nowhere near as good for healing.

ummm, errrrr…. ahem.
right… i knew that. 😉

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okay, so I actually understand this statement. Somehow it took you to express it in this way for me to understand.
Perhaps it took me until now to understand what you were trying to say.
I have been really focused on the balance, on achieving the balance.
if what you say is true, and i am actually able to understand it now to consider it, then my mind seems to have been always more tuned in for the healing and consciousness aspect of the cell and so creating a cell that would bring a great balance, as close to perfection, i worked toward creating that in the moe-joe cell.

now, i actually understand what you\’re saying \”we deliberately make and capture the unbalance so as to beam it where we want the event (recombination) to occur.\”

VERY interesting concept that, until now, I had not been able to grasp.

If this is, in fact, the true reason how the joe cell functions to run a combustion engine, then i can now understand your point in saying that the moe-joe cell is not suited for the running of a combustion engine. i also understand that my conviction in knowing that the moe-joe cell was better for healing because of the much better balancing of opposites and then my subsequent assumption that this meant it would also make it better for the car function may have been wrong.

this is truly new for me.
I apologize for my strong reactions to you, Alex.
I really thought you were dismissing the entirety of the moe-joe cell, which I KNEW was untrue, and so, i really thought you were coming from a place of baseless opposition (and, as I called it, trying to maintain a status quo – splashing in a pool 🙂 rather than application-specific opposition. This discussion on healing made it easy for me to distinguish the difference.

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this all sounds really logical. it makes some sense, but there is something about the theory that is bugging me.
i\’ll have to sit on it for a while and see if I can express what this pea under the mattress really is.
for one thing, the alchemists do use spherical glassware, and even express it that it is a reflection of the world and the universe. although others use the egg shape.
i have pondered the idea that the egg shape may be better than the sphere, but i don\’t think so, for the balancing… but maybe for the car.
our world, most certainly is spherical, as are our experience of the stars around us. In fact, on some very special nights, one can really appreciate the spherical nature of the universe around us.

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where this does, again, make sense Alex, and with my new understanding of what you\’ve been trying to say,
there is still something bugging me about it, especially since it is possible that one can create in the centre of the cell, in this case, the moe-joe cell,
the \”third\” energy that is created by the union of the two right there in the neutral centre.
So within a physically-based universe, we\’re stuck, cause how are we going to get that energy out?
But really, this is where I think it is still possible to tap into and call upon and use this inner core energy despite it being physically inside the parameters of the cell. Meyl proposes that the high voltage spark of the ignition attracts these energy particles that he believes are neutrinos, like moths to a light. they travel through all the physical stuff just as do the neutrinos from the rays of the sun and are ignited by the high voltage sparks, to be converted to negative-force energy and to absorb heat through an implosive process.

So even though I actually feel quite elated and relieved to have found harmony with you, I still think the moe-joe has the potential, in a different fashion,
to do what the joe cell does.

Can you consider the possibility that we are bringing those opposites together in a cell close enough to the source where the energy will be used…
and it is only slightly more physically distant than, for instance, creating them apart to bring them together at the engine.
no matter how close we get to the engine to reunite the divided forces, we cannot get closer to the engine block itself, since it is grounded negative. (although i have always wanted to have the engine block isolated and connected positive, this was too much work and effort and impractical – and would still not being able to bring the divided energies any closer than the engine itself)
even with the joe cell, we\’re still not able to unite the forces we generated in separation from each other any closer that 1/4\” from the engine block.
this difference between the center of the moe-joe cell, say a couple of feet from the pistons and ignition, and the joe cell, from the edge of the engine block,
cannot be making all the difference… can it?

You have helped me really understand the problem with trying to emulate the joe cell\’s way of channeling energy to the engine.
For this, I have to look deeply at this and possibly accept that the moe-joe cell is hopeless to achieve fuel-less results.
But I feel that the moe-joe cell has some other way of achieving what we\’re seeking.
I thank you for your patience in hashing this out with me.

Moshe

p.s. if you no longer work with the car, and are just focused on the healing aspect, and you recognize the moe-joe cell as being superior for that purpose,
well… would you like to try out one of my moe-joe cells? (may I suggest you try with the bismuth core)
Shipping fees are on the house!! 🙂

[nada nada]

Thanks for reminding me about Dave L\’s endorsement. But the link http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/Celery.htm no longer works.

I managed to find it here… http://magnetism.vfedtec.com/Celery.htm

Has anyone had success with his node/length test (8.475cm &
7.025cm stainless wire touching the outer sphere)?

(Moshe: Is the post preview button broken? Every time I click, I get a link to the intro video)

[Moshe Daniel]

nada nada wrote:

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Thanks for reminding me about Dave L\’s endorsement. But the link http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/Celery.htm no longer works.

I managed to find it here… http://magnetism.vfedtec.com/Celery.htm

thanks for the update Nada.
I will update also on my website. (and i guess edit that post in this topic.

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Has anyone had success with his node/length test (8.475cm & 7.025cm stainless wire touching the outer sphere)?

I have not. and i must confess, i am not certain how to apply it. Do you have a clear idea about how to apply that, Nada? It would be interesting to try to do so.

Anyone else know how to do so?
Maybe I can get Bernie to check out this topic and give us some insights.

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(Moshe: Is the post preview button broken? Every time I click, I get a link to the intro video)

We are working on it. It has to do with the fact that the forum is trying to use the index.html file of the intro video page to display the preview.
Should be fixed soon.

[nada nada]

I don\’t know how Dave L. came up with the \”moejoe lengths\”, but I think you need a pair of calipers to measure and a grinder (or sandpaper) to grind the ends of the wire flat.

Once you get the correct length, you can probe the cell to sense nodal points. I don\’t know how it\’s supposed to \”feel\”.

This link talks about resonant lengths. About 1/4 way down he talks about the joe cell and hydrogen resonance. About 3/4 down he has a \”node sensing tool\” (a ring of wire).
http://magnetism.vfedtec.com/Matrix.htm
It\’s a lot to read (and still confusing to me).