[Dendritic Xylem]

Thanks Moshe, this is good to know. I also thought about using quartz and/or magnetite sand instead of water.

Considering how receptive water is to outside emotional influences, the water may be the very reason the devices are so temperamental.

[Dendritic Xylem]

According to the link above, by eliminating the water we also eliminate the undesirable inconsistency of water filled cells and their conditioning.

The author of the link claimed that one of his dry \”jenny cells\” was mounted in an old truck which already had a fully charged joe cell. The timing was advanced by like 90 degrees already, which made it run very rough with the joe cell and petrol alone(I\’m not sure how it ran at all, with petrol on that kind of timing). The jenny cell addition supposedly made it run much smoother.

There\’s a very good reason I don\’t want to use water.

We are essentially creating an electrolysis cell with our units. The more the cell is charged, the more ss atoms will be stripped into solution. This is exactly how I make colloidal silver. It is also why our solutions end up rising in ppm of total dissolved solids during charging phase.

It\’s only a matter of time before our cells are stripped of enough metal to make them absolutely worthless.

By eliminating the water, we eliminate this electrolysis problem, and our cells might last 50 years instead of 10 or less. I would gladly sacrifice peak performance in order to gain consistency and reliability.

[Dendritic Xylem]

Thanks, I\’ve seen the Emoto documentary and studied some of schaubergers work in the past in relation to propulsion tech. I\’ll review it again.

[Dendritic Xylem]

I guess I should stick with what works for you guys. Spring water is abundant in my area. How about well water? My house uses it.

So…

What gives \’life\’ to water?

and…

What takes \’life\’ from water?

[Dendritic Xylem]

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Where I do extoll your wonderful scientific intentions, distilled water is not the way to go. It\’s pretty much dead. they kill it in the distillation process. no life, and… there\’s no electrolytes, so it acts as a great insulator, with no activity in the water. you\’ll be frustrated with that.

Also, we\’ve long ago quelled the argument for HHO. we know the joe cell and moe-joe cell are not HHO producers… they can be made to do so, but that is a moot point now, in my opinion. perhaps you feel otherwise for some reason?

You don\’t have to convince me about the hho. I know it isn\’t that. I just didn\’t want to have to convince other people who are skeptics.

About the water. I don\’t like that two different natural waters will never be identical. Depending on what dissolved solids it contains, you may end up greatly lowering the life of the metal in the cell. I have measured rainwater which was alkaline in some places and acidic in others. Same with tap water. Have also seen ppm\’s vary from 20 to 250 in tap.

I have been making colloidal silver for a couple of years now. What about using that? We could start with distilled, then introduce silver particles as the electrolyte. There would also be 28 volts going into the water for hours on end to make the silver. I also have a bunch of strong 1\” x 1\” neodymium cylinder magnets. Could these help bring dead water back to life?

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i recommend trying it with a 2nd battery to charge the cell in the car. with that set up, you could keep it plugged in for longer periods, and even experiment with it being connected during operation. it must be electrically isolated from the chassis and the negative of the cell is not connected to the car\’s negative battery terminal. it seems Joe had this setup when he drove his car fuel-less.

Very interesting. So did joe leave his second battery circuit connected during operation? What about keeping the second isolated circuit charged with a small solar panel? Any drawbacks there?