Several questions

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Hi, Moshe,

Thank you very much for kind reply.

In your comments, you said that \”so start small and observe the water.
feel the water. do you sense the energy in the water?
do you see an increase in surface tension?\”
I want to know how to feel and observe the charged water in detail.
for example, If I touch it, can I feel the charged water a little sticky ?
How can I sense the energy in the water? How can I see or feel it?

Every person can feel the energy in the water differently.
Some people feel cold, some heat, some like a \”breeze of cool air\”, some feel little electricity impulses like static. so you have to play around with it and see if you can feel it. Please note – this is feeling the water energetically! NOT putting the hand inside of the water. that is a different story.

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and also how to know increase of surface tension.

watch these two videos –
http://www.moe-joe-working.com/Moe-Joe-Cell/moe-joe_surface_tension.MOV

http://www.moe-joe-working.com/Moe-Joe-Cell/moe-joe_surface_tension2.MOV

you can see the increase of surface tension.
This is very very high surface tension.

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And, if the scum on the water surface occurs, have the water been charged a little bit?

scum just means scum. dirt. nothing else.

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And also you said that \”you may also need to filter the water if it forms scum.\”
After I finish the charging of water, if it forms scums, to remove the scum on the water, can I use a conventional filter paper with shape of round type? Is it right?

go to this page here:
http://www.moe-joe-working.com/Moe-Joe-Cell/moe_joe_cell_charging.html
or do a search in the forum for filtering the water. i think we already had these questions.

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And also you said that \”if you\’re getting very very very low amps with the 16.6V then you can leave it on a long time, yes.\”
I will check the current during the experiment, what is the value of very very very low amps? 0.01 amp? or 0.1 amp? please let me know the range of very very very low amp.

very very low would be 0.01 amps, like 10 mA.
0.1 amps = 100 mAs and it is low, but not very very low.

[Jung-Nam Park]

Hi Moshe,

Thank you very much for your kind reply..

You said that \”very very low would be 0.01 amps, like 10 mA.
0.1 amps = 100 mAs and it is low, but not very very low.\”

I measured the currents with different controlled volatage that Moe-Joe Cell device with connected conventional DC charging with VARIAC and bridge rectifyer – Method 1, which is added ground water in Moe-Joe Cell.
When I set AC 33.9V(VARIAC controlling), (converted final DC voltage (with a capacitor) is 39.2V)the current was 1 AMP.
So, I am doing the water charging experiment (5times per day, 1time : charging 5min and then off 2hr) under this condition. (I think that it is not convenient due to on and off everytime.. I mean not continuing.. That\’s why I am asking.. below.. questions)

In my measurment, when I set AC 10V the current was 0.06 amp.
I think that this 0.06 amps is low or very low value as you meantioned it above.
When I set 5V the current was 0.002 amp. This must be very very low..

So, my questions are…
Instead of 1AMP run on and off (5times per day), can I do the experiment using low value 0.06 amp controlled VARIA C- Method 1 for water charging continuously WITHOUT on and off. Is it ok? Is it possible to charge the water contineously under low current using Method 1? What is the recommendable (low or very very low)current values for contineous water charging?
(If I get the 0.01 amp by controlling the voltage(between 5 and 10V), is it better for long run water charging than 0.06 amps? because 0.01 amp is lower than 0.06 amp. Or is the both case possible?)

Also,I get 0.01 amp using the convetional battery with, for example, 7V, is it also ok to use for contineous(long run) water charging without off time ? Or is it better using lower current than 0.01 amp by choosing conventional battery such as 3V etc.?
Have you ever done using conventional battery with 3V or 1.5V for water charging? (If you have a experience, please let me know the period for water charging.)

And I have watched surface tention viedo 1 and 2 which you linked last reply. Thank you for this viedo.
By the way, In this case, what was the water charging conditions on the result in this viedos approximately? Times, Current, Method etc.?

Thank you so much. (감사합니다.)

Awaiting your reply.

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Hi Moshe,

Thank you very much for your kind reply..

You said that \”very very low would be 0.01 amps, like 10 mA.
0.1 amps = 100 mAs and it is low, but not very very low.\”

I measured the currents with different controlled volatage that Moe-Joe Cell device with connected conventional DC charging with VARIAC and bridge rectifyer – Method 1, which is added ground water in Moe-Joe Cell.
When I set AC 33.9V(VARIAC controlling), (converted final DC voltage (with a capacitor) is 39.2V)the current was 1 AMP.
So, I am doing the water charging experiment (5times per day, 1time : charging 5min and then off 2hr) under this condition. (I think that it is not convenient due to on and off everytime.. I mean not continuing.. That\’s why I am asking.. below.. questions)

In my measurment, when I set AC 10V the current was 0.06 amp.
I think that this 0.06 amps is low or very low value as you meantioned it above.
When I set 5V the current was 0.002 amp. This must be very very low..

So, my questions are…
Instead of 1AMP run on and off (5times per day), can I do the experiment using low value 0.06 amp controlled VARIA C- Method 1 for water charging continuously WITHOUT on and off. Is it ok? Is it possible to charge the water contineously under low current using Method 1? What is the recommendable (low or very very low)current values for contineous water charging?

Jung-Nam,
You are asking me these questions as if I am the all-knowing master on these matters. I really am not. There is really no such thing.
This is a science and an art. there is knowledge, yes, true, but there is also experience and sensitivity. Each setup is quite different from the other.
if you have problems, like in the beginning with using the electricity wrong, then we can help. but you are asking precise details of exact methodology and you must really find the way yourself.
You have asked questions – and the answer is – yes, and yes, but also, it depends.
try doing some experimenting and look for the results.
this way, you will begin to learn yourself and it is more valuable than me giving you all the answers.

however, one thing i do want to tell you –
if you are using low voltage, you might as well use pure DC from batteries, because
using rectified AC to DC is not pure DC and the cells respond better to pure DC from batteries. ok?

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Also,I get 0.01 amp using the convetional battery with, for example, 7V, is it also ok to use for contineous(long run) water charging without off time ? Or is it better using lower current than 0.01 amp by choosing conventional battery such as 3V etc.?
Have you ever done using conventional battery with 3V or 1.5V for water charging? (If you have a experience, please let me know the period for water charging.)

I have used the lowest battery was 9V.
1.5 volts is only to hold the residual voltage across the cell, not really to charge. however, look at Chris McGuire\’s setup here – Moe Joe cell Forum post

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And I have watched surface tention viedo 1 and 2 which you linked last reply. Thank you for this viedo.
By the way, In this case, what was the water charging conditions on the result in this viedos approximately? Times, Current, Method etc.?

It was quite a long time ago.
It was using pure pure spring water from the earth and very low current with 12V battery, charging like 20-30minutes at a time, a few times / day.

Plus a lot of meditation and feeling around the water.

Be well my friend!

감사합니다

[Jung-Nam Park]

Hi Moshe,

Thank you so much for your nice comments…

I did the water charging with 1 amp during 2.5 day with VARIAC (Method 1).

I poured the water inside Moe-Joe Cell out. and I found that yellow some particles exist in water. I guess that it come from some Bismuth core.. is it right?

In official web site, you mentioned \”Charge for 1-3 minutes 4-6 times /day until the water gets filled with a brownish, orangy fluffy \”scum.\” then filter the water, using 2 Blue Shop towels (available at Home Depot)\”

I attached the picture. Could you tell me whether it is a brownish, orangy fluffy scum or not? If not what is this? Do you think my experiment is something wrong. Please let me know..

After this water charge, I did filter it. I got filtered yellow color solution. Is it right?
So, I am recharging this filtered yellow color solution for second charge. Is it right?

If I did charge it again do you think this yellow some particles in water is not formed?

Please let me know your experiences and comments.

And also I just want to share my AC–>DC converting compact device!

Thank you so much

Awaiting your reply.

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[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Hi Moshe,
Thank you so much for your nice comments…
I did the water charging with 1 amp during 2.5 day with VARIAC (Method 1).

I poured the water inside Moe-Joe Cell out. and I found that yellow some particles exist in water. I guess that it come from some Bismuth core.. is it right?

no. the bismuth core shouldn\’t create any scum because it is coated in goop / silicone and is not in contact with the water.
that yellow discoloration is due to nickle and iron coming into the water.

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In official web site, you mentioned \”Charge for 1-3 minutes 4-6 times /day until the water gets filled with a brownish, orangy fluffy \”scum.\” then filter the water, using 2 Blue Shop towels (available at Home Depot)\”

I attached the picture. Could you tell me whether it is a brownish, orangy fluffy scum or not? If not what is this? Do you think my experiment is something wrong. Please let me know..

your scum looks good. :laugh:
just fine.

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After this water charge, I did filter it. I got filtered yellow color solution. Is it right? So, I am recharging this filtered yellow color solution for second charge. Is it right?
If I did charge it again do you think this yellow some particles in water is not formed?

the yellow coloured solution after filtering is totally fine and normal.
yes and you will charge that for second charge. yes.
you will probably continue to see scum forming in the water.
it is normal when you charge at high amperage.
lower amps you will not see so much scum.

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And also I just want to share my AC–>DC converting compact device!

Thank you so much
Awaiting your reply.

very very nice setup.
Very neat.
you have your bridge rectifier, then your capacitor.
nice work Jung-Nam.

After trying this for a while, you can later use a battery and compare.

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[Jung-Nam Park]

Hi Moshe,

Thank you for your nice comments.

I very appreciate your kind comments to me everytimes.. :laugh:

You said that \” no. the bismuth core shouldn\’t create any scum because it is coated in goop / silicone and is not in contact with the water.
that yellow discoloration is due to nickle and iron coming into the water. \”

My question is… This is an assumption. If some silicone part covered bismuth core was peeled a little bit. so, if bismuth core was contacted with water a little bit. Can Bismuth core material reach out into water and can it form any scum or particle? Is it possible to form?
And you said that yellow discoloration is Ni and Fe components coming into the water.
So, I want to do the analysis of this filtered solution components. and also, I want to analyze the filtered solid. Have you ever done the analyasis of this solution and solid? If you give me more information or comment about this, it will be better for my analysis. Please just let me know… 🙂

I surprised that a lot of brownish, orangy fluffy scum including some small particle with some precipitations are formed in the charged water when I take out charged water from Moe-Joe Cell after water charging with 1 amps -Method 1, as shown in last message. ((This picture is the same with previous picture of last message, I have just taken photos with high resolution and show you them again.))

Finally, I can use the filtered yellow charged water for healing or car kit after several charge and filter cycles, Is it right?

As you mentioned it, I will compare with the differences of the color and phenomena between the Method 1 with 1 amps and the battery method with low amp.

Thank you,

Awaiting your reply.

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[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Hi Moshe,

My question is… This is an assumption. If some silicone part covered bismuth core was peeled a little bit. so, if bismuth core was contacted with water a little bit. Can Bismuth core material reach out into water and can it form any scum or particle? Is it possible to form?

yes, in that case, for certain. Bismuth core, if exposed to water, will produce a lot of brown scum.

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And you said that yellow discoloration is Ni and Fe components coming into the water.
So, I want to do the analysis of this filtered solution components. and also, I want to analyze the filtered solid. Have you ever done the analyasis of this solution and solid? If you give me more information or comment about this, it will be better for my analysis. Please just let me know… 🙂

I haven\’t done such an analysis. it would be very helpful information to know.
Please keep us posted.

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Finally, I can use the filtered yellow charged water for healing or car kit after several charge and filter cycles, Is it right?

yes, that is right.
but do not drink the water.
you can use it to place on or near the body with items that channel the energy to the person from the water, like an orgone accumulator \”shooter box\”

look at this picture – you could put a tube into the water and then \”shoot\” the orgone energy into the desired area of the body.
Also, you can take a very small amount of the water and then dilute it with fresh drinking water and then vortex them together.

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[Jung-Nam Park]

Dear Moshe,

Thank you for kind reply..

Recently, I have charged the ground water during several days (more than 6 days) with 1 amps to apply to car kit.
When I analyse it there are Fe, Cr, Ni components in charged water even though I could not know the concentration of components.

To understand and install Moe-Joe Cell for Car kit, I have checked the viedo \”Water Car Moe-Joe Cell Car Installation Video\” in the website.
I just understand a little bit, the connection part of Moe-Joe Cell into Air intake line. I could not understand it clearly… My question is related on O2 sensor at installation of Moe-Joe Cell. There is an explanation about O2 sensor in the video. I can not understand it clearly.
Should I rearrange or fix O2 sensor line or O2 sensor device ?
If not, does it happens, something wrong?
I want to know it exactly before Moe-Joe Cell installation of car kit.

In your website, \”\”This Video Contains instructions on how to assemble the Moe-Joe Cell and Install into the Car via VACUUM intake, and also demonstrates how to get under the car and locate the catalytic converter and the O2 sensors. (note: in this video, we chose a method we are no longer employing the use of – We hooked the two rear O2 sensors together and then we also hooked up the front two O2 sensors together – Also, we are no longer using the Cell Guardian. It DOES NOT WORK – it is a scam. We are sorry if this has misled anyone. The good results we got were exclusively from the Moe-Joe working, and NOT the Cell Guardian… \”\”

These sentences confuse me.. Please let me know the installation method of Moe-Joe Cell for Car kit to understand it easier..

Thank you,

Awaiting your reply.

[Moshe Daniel]

Jung-Nam Park wrote:

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Dear Moshe,

Thank you for kind reply..

Recently, I have charged the ground water during several days (more than 6 days) with 1 amps to apply to car kit.
When I analyse it there are Fe, Cr, Ni components in charged water even though I could not know the concentration of components.

That sounds pretty normal. yes. those are the elements of the stainless steel and they will come out into the water during charging.

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To understand and install Moe-Joe Cell for Car kit, I have checked the viedo \”Water Car Moe-Joe Cell Car Installation Video\” in the website.
I just understand a little bit, the connection part of Moe-Joe Cell into Air intake line. I could not understand it clearly… My question is related on O2 sensor at installation of Moe-Joe Cell. There is an explanation about O2 sensor in the video. I can not understand it clearly.
Should I rearrange or fix O2 sensor line or O2 sensor device ?
If not, does it happens, something wrong?
I want to know it exactly before Moe-Joe Cell installation of car kit.

In your website, \”\”This Video Contains instructions on how to assemble the Moe-Joe Cell and Install into the Car via VACUUM intake, and also demonstrates how to get under the car and locate the catalytic converter and the O2 sensors. (note: in this video, we chose a method we are no longer employing the use of – We hooked the two rear O2 sensors together and then we also hooked up the front two O2 sensors together – Also, we are no longer using the Cell Guardian. It DOES NOT WORK – it is a scam. We are sorry if this has misled anyone. The good results we got were exclusively from the Moe-Joe working, and NOT the Cell Guardian… \”\”

These sentences confuse me.. Please let me know the installation method of Moe-Joe Cell for Car kit to understand it easier..

ok. so here is a summary of what this all means.

There was a guy who was selling a device called a Cell Guardian to try to fix the O2 sensor problem with the cell. it didn\’t work. in fact, it was a total scam.
so I warm people, not to do it. since then, I have tried several other devices and setups to try to \”trick\” the O2 sensors during the operation of the moe-joe cell, but so far, I have not found anything that actually helps or works.
So, for now, do not worry about the oxygen sensors.

The next idea is a new idea, which is easier and may even be better, i believe, than using the vacuum air intake. it is definitely better than using the Air intake.
it is using the (PCV) valve intake. I have found this to be an easy way to connect the cell to the engine.

Locate the PCV valve on your car. it is easy to remove the tube that connects to it.
buy a T valve connector (like this:

then connect your moe-joe cell tube to one end and back into the PCV valve.
this is the easiest way I have found to do it and the energy of the moe-joe cell get sucked right into the engine at a good spot!

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[James A.L. Cullumber]

I know a lot of people here use the Moe-Joe Cell to charge the water, and on my end, I already have something that can charge water.

My only question is; Since I have a Orgone Accumulator, would using the water from there be better than letting the water sit inside the Cell?