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James Goss\’ \”Unit Charge\” Joe cell theory
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Rob Eklund wrote:
quote :Would the size of the tire make a difference, I am using 44\” tires on 16.5\” rims? That is a lot of rubber to go through.On a second line of thought, do you think a ceramic coated spacer between the brakes and the rim, and on the lugnuts might help? ceramic has been used as a high voltage insulater for a long time and it would take the heat from the brakes easily. I know it wouldn\’t totally solve the issue, but it may ease it somewhat.
James Goss has used many material which were surprisingly not good insulators in this business of \”unit charge.\” they would not let any apparent current pass, but there is something else about insulating against unit charge.
my hunch is that your measure of ceramic and thicker rubber on the tires would help, to a certain degree, but probably wouldn\’t eliminate the problem.
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I wouldn\’t think either or both even would solve it, just an attempt to stack resistors in a way.
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One other idea, I am going to go out to a craft store to buy some sheets of pvc and a roll of acetate. If we layer either pvc, or acetate sheets with aluminum foil it would make a high voltage capacitor.
If we put that under the cell (or truck tires)with the + end connected to a corona wire. the – end is what is have to play with to figure out, do you think it would go to earth ground, under the cell(or the tires), or a lower corona wire relative to the \”+\”, just around the base?
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Well I tried the aluminum foil inside page protectors (plastic sleeves that school papers go in).
It did indeed have a big effect on how the cell felt, but I cant say it was a good one. It did build up a charge my arm hairs would stand up when near it (like walking in front of a crt tv screen). But it did not feel \”good\” to be around if that makes sense.
Right now I am not sure if the materials need to change, how it is applied needs to,or if if just isn\’t a good idea, my first guess is to get rid of the plastic in favor of glass, or thick paper. glass should be a better insulator so I will start there.
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Rob Eklund wrote:
quote :Well I tried the aluminum foil inside page protectors (plastic sleeves that school papers go in).It did indeed have a big effect on how the cell felt, but I cant say it was a good one. It did build up a charge my arm hairs would stand up when near it (like walking in front of a crt tv screen). But it did not feel \”good\” to be around if that makes sense.
I don\’t like the feeling of any aluminum around the cell or any orgone acumulator. it blocks the energy and also has a very \”tinny\” feel to it, especially in the foil form.
quote :Right now I am not sure if the materials need to change, how it is applied needs to,or if if just isn\’t a good idea, my first guess is to get rid of the plastic in favor of glass, or thick paper. glass should be a better insulator so I will start there.i suggest acrylic. that is even better than glass.
expensive though.
and thicker is better too.
ideally, i wouldn\’t use aluminum either.
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Ok i do have a 4×4 sheet of plexiglass at 1/4 inch thick. It should be acrylic. I think I have a roll of shim stock around here somewhere that is 316 stainless at .004\” I\’ll see if I can cut them into 12\” squares (plexi) an 11\” squares (stainless).
At least there was a noticible effect, the corona wire I am using is also stainless (TiG welding wire) held up on glass rods. for the first try positive over the cell, negative just off the ceramic table at the base.
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Latest from James Goss on the Unit Charge for Joe Cell – which may also have some implications and reflections for our Swirlers. Check it out:
quote :Hello all,What happens to a Joe cell\’s unit charge when the cell is placed on an engine having earth reference, which is the case for all vehicles? Although a cell has the ability to generate thousands of volts while earth isolated, with an earth reference unit charge appears to not exist. If viewed from a different prospective, it can be seen that having an earth reference might be an advantage. Because a cell is not displaying high values of positive unit charge does not signify the unit charge process is not continuing.
High values of unit charge will not be generated by a cell installed in a vehicle due to conductivity of the tires. However, since an earth ground reference is bleeding charge off, this indicates a circuit between earth and cell does exist. This also indicates that a cell\’s unit charge process is still in operation on a vehicle having earth reference, even though high voltage is not being generated by the cell. Energy will flow between earth and cell as long as unit charge is trying to develop. With a positive unit charge the direction of flow for bleeder current is from earth to cell. Without constant energy flowing between the two, positive unit charge develops. Thus it\’s logical that unit charge must maintain a bleeder current between earth and cell, since high voltage is not developed.
Since I first witnessed a Joe cell\’s unit charge, I have noticed that each time unit charge is produced by the cell it\’s never the same value. As an example: One time it might reach 1,500 volts, the next time 500 volts, next time 10,000 volts, and so on. It is certainly unpredictable, and at times the cell can have several good runs in a row. Once charge approaches its maximum value for that particular run, the cell seems to give up and charge remains near that value for the rest of the run.
Apparently when unit charge reaches a certain positive value on a given run, negative ions leaving the cell water are attracted back to the cell\’s high positive charge value. At this time there is no additional positive charge placed on the cell. If the fan removing vapor from the cell has its speed increased, the charging process resumes until the cell stalls again.
I recall that water fountains used for generating negative ions will only produce ions for extended periods of time if the pump motor is referenced to earth ground, as it is on a 120 volt AC pump motor. Ground reference within the AC line bleeds off positive charge buildup in the water so as to not attract negative ions that have already been released.
If batteries are used as the electrical source for a water fountain pump motor, the fountain will supply negative ions for a short period of time and then stop altogether, due to negative ions returning to the water. With water fountains and waterfalls it is to some extent the evaporation process which produces negative ions. This same process is occurring in Joe cells, but electrolysis greatly enhances the process.
Thus having ground reference allows a cell\’s unit charge process to continue even though no high voltage is produced. As long as a cell is releasing negative ions from the cell water\’s surface, energy must be flowing between earth and cell to keep the unit charge process near a balanced state. Balanced in this case implies the number of negative charges leaving a cell by way of enhanced evaporation is equal to the positive charges neutralized by way of earth ground. As long as earth bleeder current prevents the positive unit charge value from becoming excessive, a Joe cell should constantly generate negative ions while electrolysis is active.
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Just curious, have you ever heard of anyone running a Joe cell in the area of a Kelvin thunderstorm?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_water_dropper
I think that the effects may be loosly related
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Rob,
You and my friend Tophur, also here on Nutopia, think alike. he actually tried that on the Moe-joe cell.
the problem is that the discharges are so infrequent.
it probably would have some effect on the unit charge…
but it didn\’t seem to do much in terms of charging.i\’ve tried charging with high voltages, and wasn\’t impressed with the results.
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I was more interested in having the thunderstorm make more of an ion cloud, of sorts. basically have one set up but not to have the discharge part happen.
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Oh I see.
that is something we haven\’t tried.
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What I had in mind was a small scale simulation of the conditions during a thunderstorm, since that seems to be when the cell is most active.
If you built a Kelvins thunderstorm, that was itself very well isolated so the arc doesnt happen, and connected the leads to a pair of corona wires just outside of the \”edge\” of the joe cells field I think it may make a sort of feedback loop between the two.
I think I have how the Kelvin thunderstorm works, but I have not made one before, it would seem possible to keep it entirely isolated from the electrical grid. And depending on the speed of the drips and size of the containers you could run one for quite some time even if you just used a bucket to fill them.
From what I have read, on start up the positve and negative of the thunderstorm are random, if that is true I dont think a direct connection between the two would be a good idea.
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