[Moshe Daniel]

Robert Souza wrote:

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Hey Daniel!

Thanks for the help

So, this clears up a lot.
Let\’s see, battery came in and I just connected it before reading your latest reply and I think I\’m going to have to make some adjustments.

OK that\’s great.
you know, i have experience with the MJC, but this is all experimental territory.
nothing set in stone.
you should allow the cell to \”talk to you.\” It\’s not even the cell. It\’s nature. your higher self. Ask to be guided on how to use it.
i don\’t have all the answers.
for eg.

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If I\’m understanding you correctly, the cell is charged at 1amp, but not when running the automobile.
The cell should have a 1.5v battery hooked up to it continuously to maintain the potential.

yes, continuously. probably good to unhook the 1.5 battery +ve when charging the cell with 12 volts. just keep that 1.5 volts on when not charging.

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Will probably see if this 6v will hold its potential in place of a 1.5v. What do you think? Does it really matter what the voltage is?

I don\’t think so. not the exact voltage. but it is good to keep the potential across the cell to hold whatever is going on in there, in the cell so it doesn\’t dissipate.

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Also, how long would a 1.5v battery last with holding the cell\’s potential?

I don\’t know. do you have a potentiometer? a voltmeter? you can measure.
you\’ll get to see if it\’s dwindling in voltage.

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Are there immediate noticeable effects once it\’s set up correctly on a car without an O2 sensor? Does the engine run colder, etc?

different people have noticed different effects immediately.
i\’ve noticed the cars being \”lighter on their feet.\” more responsive.
of course, some fuel mileage improvement.

it\’s great you have no O2 sensor.
i haven\’t done it on any engine without O2 sensors.
your report should be very valuable.

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How long should the water have 1amp running through it? I\’m thinking it\’s an indeterminate amount and based off of its electrical potential after or something?

not long!! 2-3 minutes at a time.
don\’t heat the water up.
don\’t forget about it. (it\’s a disaster if you forget that you\’re charging. i did it like 3X in the past. lol)

Good luck!

Moshe

[Moshe Daniel]

hey Robert,

OK – let\’s tackle some of these questions

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1 – Should the MJ car cell be sealed where the male and female hemispheres meet with silicone/sealant? I\’m having a hard time believing that even at half full that it won\’t leak.

yes, you can seal it on the outside, around the circumference where the hemispheres meet.
but only on the 5\” is necessary.

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2 – Where do I connect the positive (anode) cable to?

to the little Arm that comes off the 5\” at an angle.

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Should the MJ cell ONLY be powered when the car is on or should it be powered continuously??

the moe joe cell should not be powered while the engine is running. It\’ll really mess up your electronics. and it shouldn\’t be necessary. give it a quick charge before operating the car and then unplug the positive. keep the negative on always.
You CAN (and probably should) keep a 1.5 V battery across the cell at all times.
this helps hold that potential.

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1 amp you say? I went ahead and bought this 6V 1.1aH rechargeable lead acid battery:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/222930402684

The 1Ah of that battery only indicates how many amp hours it has = 1. that\’s not a lot.
and you only have 6 volts there, not even 12.

Your current is determined by the equation V = I X R
Voltage = Current x Resistance.
if the resistance is high, as it is in distilled water without electrolyte, or rainwater, or even spring water for that matter, then the current drops right down (almost to zero).
you need a lot of voltage to bring the current up to 1 amp.
basically, the only wasy to do so are with a Variac (it gets dangerous at high voltage)
and with electrolyte if using 12 volt battery.

your steal might get a little etched, but you have enough amperage to get that goodies flowing.
Note: this is not the hippy-dippy way of doing it, but the full blast muscle it through way.

I think this is the way to go for cars.
not for the healing aspect of the cells. there, low current is fine.

lots of love.
Moshe

p.s.
Your image of the cell charging in the water –
i really like to have those alligator clips out of the water.
So the negative bolt that goes to the 2\” comes out of the bottom of your vessel, and then seal it there with goop or whatever.
and your 5\” +ve electrode is out of the water.
much cleaner and nicer energy that way.
not essential though, but i used to be OCD about these things with the cell.
didn\’t want any interferences.

[Moshe Daniel]

hey Robert. Very exciting research you\’re doing.
Your photos require permission to access. I just requested it, so I can see the pics,
but I can tell you, I am not a big fan of distilled water.
yes, natural spring water is much better. Trying to add life to dead water is harder than enlivening already living water. but with all the fancy pants stuff you\’re doing, you may get some life back in her yet!!

Let me have access to those pics and I\’ll be able to offer other comments.

Also, KCl is a good eletrolyte for the cell.
There\’s two approaches here.
One for healing – lower voltage lower amperage charging, keep the water alive, living. very nice for healing.
and one for powering cars – the higher amperage – around 1 amp, seems to be key. with distilled water, you\’d need TONS of volts to get up to one amp – too dangerous.
better to use some electrolyte to bring up the amperage.
you might want to play around with both methods.
if you\’re sensitive to the field the moe-joe cell puts out, you can sense where you\’re at and what\’s working for you.
that Volvo sound GREAT! i can\’t wait to hear your results and experiments.

[Moshe Daniel]

hey!! beautiful polishing job.
how did you do the polishing?

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Sorry man it\’s not working what a obout when I charge the water, do I have to disconnect the negative and positive, or I have to live the negative in ( connect)

while you charge, you have to leave both the negative and positive connected.
when you are NOT charging, so in between the charges, you leave just the negative connected.

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Use this to upload the photo.
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Victor Cosan wrote:

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Ok I will let you know,Saturday I start to charging the water and Tuesday I install the moe Joe cell to the petrol or diesel engine and I let you know. For stage 2 the car it\’s running in petrol and orgoniu from moe joe cell. For stage 3 only in energy from moe joe cell I have to disconnect the petrol pump. Can you explain please hau correct I have to using or to install the moe joe cell,stage 2,stage 3,for my car. Mitsubishi Lancers 2.0 petrol.audi a4 1.9 t.d.i. Thanks for halp 🙂

Victor, a lot of this technology is still experimental.
Here are some things you can consider.
For some instructions:
Please read through the forums.
Also check out the different pages and videos a
http://www.moe-joe-working.com and
watch this video –

[Moshe Daniel]

yes, you can try it. diesel is different of course than regular fuel engine.
But you can try and see how it goes. I cannot say absolutely yes or no.
you may see fuel mileage improvement or boost in engine performance or more power or…
ALL of the above? Let us know how it goes.

[Moshe Daniel]

Victor Cosan wrote:

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Hi
sorry for my broken English. :blush: :blush: I\’m get the moe joe cell.Ca you explain please hau I have to charge the water for stage 3 please.

hi Victor,

Go to this page –
http://www.moe-joe-working.com/moe_joe_cell_charging.html
Go to Method 1 – Conventional DC charging with VARIAC and bridge rectifyer – this will help you achieve stage 3. but stage 3 is not so important. it is just looking like a lot of bubbles. you can prepare and create excellent water using just 24Volts DC batteries.

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1)Haw many vot and amp,I can use car battery or I can using a car battery charger.

don\’t use a car battery charger
you can use car battery (or two car batteries in series – to make 24V)
and if you add potassium chloride salt to the water, you can get to 1 amp with
either 12 volts or 24 volts. with 24 volts you will obviously need less salt to achieve 1amp of current.

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2) Abaut time for charging it\’s 10min.5time for 24 hours

on the same page, see here:
c) Turn on the VARIAC so that the current begins flowing. Adjust the VOLTAGE on the VARIAC to around 60-80 volts AC, so that the current reads close to 1 AMP. Charge for 1-3 minutes 4-6 times /day until the water gets filled with a brownish, orangy fluffy \”scum.\” then filter the water, using 2 Blue Shop towels (available at Home Depot)

And also below.

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3)I have to polish the cell before to charging the water

Glass. Look at this page again and see the glass jar –
now, i use diamond drill bits to make the bottom hole.
http://www.moe-joe-working.com/moe_joe_cell_charging.html#videos

no. it\’s not necessary. but it looks nicer. 🙂 and it *may* be a little better.

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4)The vessel have to be glass, metal or plastic

Glass. Only glass.

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5) Hau many days have to charge the water Thanks Victor

start with charging a few days. 2-3 days.
see how the water feels.
if you cannot \’feel\’ the orgone energy in the water,
then test the potential difference across the cell with no
battery attached.

[Moshe Daniel]

Nancy Fimbres wrote:

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maybe a better question would be what NOT TO DO. when someone says they ruined their moejoe, fried, burned, \”moejoe was never the same\”…what is meant by that and what causes that? so I know not to do that….(like putting the + and – on the center post….even if it is on the other side of the glass. lol)

\”what is current? what kind of water?\”

if you\’re working with lower voltage, like 12-24 volts tops, you\’re probably good.
unless, for example, you left for the weekend with the 24Volts hooked up and you basically cooked the water and the steel of the spheres was etched because of the continual eating away of the metal. But that is not likely.
people mess up their cells if they leave it on 120V with a VARIAC plugged in through a bridge rectifyer circuit and running at 1amp or more.

Current is how much amperage is flowing.
Water, if it is relatively pure, like spring water from a spring, or a well, should be OK.
some people add electrolyte, like KOH or others mixes of salts, and THESE can also etch the steel.

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I have about half amp of current. I have the 2 12v batteries available but as of yet have only hooked up one at a time. the water I used was from those 30 cent a gallon reverse osmosis machines that are outside grocery stores. for drinking, I start with that 30 cents/gallon water then I run it through a zero filter system. comes with a ppm meter so you can see it takes out all particulates including fluoride. so I took that twice filtered water then I swirled it in a vortexer I made. two glass (mickeys)40 ounce green bottles connected with one of those tornado in a jar deals that I put magnets on in n/s/n/s configuration AND a tensor ring that I made…thats the water I have in there now, but there is no action so far, just some air bubbles that are forming and sticking to the glass.

OK I am happy you shared this.
the Reverse osmosis has actually quite a low electrolytic concentration.
however, if you\’re getting half an amp, ie 500mAs, that\’s quite high enough. MORE than enough to create a nice field from the moe-joe cell.
Do you feel anything?
When you say \”action\” do you mean like seeing lots of bubbles?
Those are not necessary when using the cell for meditation purposes.
I want you to CONFIRM the current is, in fact, 0.5Amps aka = 500mA.
If not, my hunch is that the RO is just too pure and not enough electrolytes.
PURE water has a very very high resistance, which would drop the current down to close to zero and you\’d have very little effect there.

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lets say that I decide to switch the leads position/polarity on not even stage 1 water. is it ok to switch around the leads or do i have to start with brand new water or just filter it?

you can just switch it up.
everything will just adjust to that after a little while. (I don\’t know how long.
Minutes? Hours? not sure)

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\”earth ground…What did they say in their post?\”

…they didn\’t. only mentioned that it was very good for plants and made them last longer in a vase. it was something they were going to try but no set up details. I think the plant/vase set up would have to be making contact with the water so I think I will start there after I have the basics down and can charge up my water ok.

I heard somewhere that the first charge goes more smoothly if you run it for a bit with 3amps current. am I making things hard on myself with my 12v battery setup? I am trying to do this the easiest and fastest way. after my sweet mother recovers from surgery, I will have more time to experiment. thank you for your advice and thoughtfulness, moshe…

What I found to get GOOD BUBBLEs (which is not necessarily needed in going healing / meditation route) is –
Run the Cell for a few minutes at HIGH current.
This is DANGEROUS. So be careful! PLEASE!!
Do not touch the metal when doing this.

by HIGH current, you\’ll need 1 to 3 AMPS.
1 amp is already HIGH!
3 AMPS is ridiculously high and overkill.
This is Bernie Heere\’s method to prep the water.
First, you\’ve got to make sure you have enough electrolytes in the water.
So verify the current is in fact 0.5 maps, and not, for example, 0.5 milliamps or something
really low like that.
Then, if you want to try this, you\’ll have to create a small circuit like this –

check this out here – explains it.
https://www.moe-joe-working.com/moe_joe_cell_charging.html#method1
You\’ll need a VARIAC and to plug in to the mains. DANGEROUS. Remember that.
And it\’s not necessary for healing / consciousness.

You\’ll see a lot of activity. a lot of bubbles.
let the water get hot. not too hot.
if you see steaming, stop.
then let it cool, filter it.
next time, when you run, just run it at 1 AMP and you\’ll see beautiful bubble formation.
Stage 2 or Stage 3.

Now, here\’s a key pointer for what you want to do –
When you plug it in to the 12V or 24V battery set up,
go into meditation, STILL your MIND, get into the MIND of STILL MAGNETIC LIGHT of God\’s PEACE, (Walter Russell style) and hold in your Mind to CHARGE the water.
the moe-joe cell will enhance the field of your mind and the water will hold the intention.
KNOW your mom is healing. See your mom healing. And So it is.

tons of LOVE
Moshe

[Moshe Daniel]

Nancy Fimbres wrote:

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Hello, put my moejoe together, but having trouble figuring out the where the positive and negative leads go. I may be tired and seeing things, but I think I saw one moejoe with the negative lead out the bottom in a glass container with hole drilled with the positive lead on the top but on the same center post? I think that particular one did not make use of the off to the side post, it just had the center post. Then I saw one with the leads on the top two posts with the center being the positive lead and the off to the side post being the negative….then I saw the same set up on a different moejoe with the leads reversed. Are the terminals interchangeable? will it break anything if I put the leads on wrong? Is this all experimental case by case? What is the best set up for best feeling energy? I dont want to break my moejoe.

Absolutely DO NOT connect the +ve and -ve to the same bismuth core thread.
the +ve either goes to the outside of the 5\” sphere or to the inside threaded rod,
but never ever ever to both. I cannot anyone has else done so.

I have been playing more with the +ve to the inside threaded rod (ie to the 2\”) and the outside to the 5\”.
but you can try both and see what you like.

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Right now, I have my moejoe completely submerged in my glass bowl. I plan on drilling a hole soon but as of now, there is no hole. I will probably drill the hole when I filter the water. I have some of the diamond tip drill bits, for a regular drill, but the smallest one is just a bit too big. So I may have to put in an order. I also have a pretty strong Dremel. The one with the hanging motor and the handpiece…for carving stone. I may have some Dremel bits for glass but I have to look.

3/16\” diamond drill bit is best. haven\’t tried a dremel but you\’ll likely struggle a lot with that.

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I have the negative lead going to the bottom of the center post and the positive lead on top going to the off center post. I have the leads going to a 12v battery. There is nothing happening that I can tell, in the water. No bubbles, No fizz, nothing. Did I put the leads on wrong?

it sounds like the leads are OK.
do you know how much current you\’re using.
what sort of water did you use?

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Is that going to take longer to get charged water? I have another 12v battery but not sure how to wire that one in. I see that people are not running their moejoes all the time, but they are working with way more juice. What would the schedule be for a set up with one or two 12v batteries? Should I do off and on? Can I leave it on all the time? If I stick to dc 12v batteries, then I don\’t have to mess around with a rectifier? Are the 12v batteries a sure thing…or is there a big chance that it may never reach a stage 3?

you need to read more of the forums. these answers are available.

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Someone mentioned running an earth ground to the moejoe. I happen to have a thick copper wire rod stuck in the ground outside that I ran into my bedroom for grounding purposes and would like to know how to hook it up to my moejoe. Is it ground to negative on the moejoe, or the negative terminal on the battery, or just hanging in the water?

What did they say in their post? I have not done this in a long time.
I cannot say if it would do anyting at all.
you have to play with it.

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Also, someone mentioned adding \”ORMES\” to the water. I think that stands for orbitally rearranged monotomic elements? Like nanoparticles? Is that the same thing as colloidals?

no. not the same thing.

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I have a jar made of colloidals made from electrolyzing 14kt gold, fine silver, and I hooked that up to 4 or 5 9v batteries in a small jar. Can I pour some of that in? OR, were they referring to the white chalky looking stuff? Some people call it liquid ORMUS? If they dry that to a white powder then it is referred to as manna or shewbread? Don\’t have any on hand, but I do know how to make it. Is it ok to add one or the other or both?

you can play with these things and discover for yourself.
ORMEs – may give something. you\’ll have to sensitize yourself first to the regular cell feel, both for that and colloids, to see if it gives any difference.

Good luck to your mother.

Moshe

[Moshe Daniel]

george kouns wrote:

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Installing a Moe Joe Cell on a backup residential generator, is the positive pole of the Cell connected to a \”D\” cell battery or a car battery and to the metal of the engine at the same time during the engine block charging process?

I am not too familiar with generators, in terms of how the engine block is connected – to positive or negative of the car battery?
So, for a car, your negative is connected to the chassis. The positive is only connected for charging and not normally during engine operation. Disconnect it when running the engine.
You can have the D-cell connected at all times across the cell. +ve to 1.5\” inch bolt (connected to outer 5\” cell) and -ve to the long central bolt which goes to 2\” inner cell.
but please note, I have also experimented with the outer 5\” cell being connected to the car chassis and long central bolt to the +ve of the car battery. It is just much more solid a construction when the negative bolt goes right through to the chassis.

If you can figure out what the engine block is connected to (ie which pole of the battery) then just make sure to keep the other part of the cell isolated from that.

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Does the water charging to stage 3 have to be done in a glass container or will a plastic bucket serve as well?

plastic is not as good, but can be used if you don\’t have the other setup.
I find the nice \”fishbowl\” or cookie looking jars at Target work great.
If you have a nice diamond drill bit, (same diameter as bolt = 3/16\”) you can make a hole and put the bolt through the bottom and bottom charge. works nicely.

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I am having a problem getting to stage 3 with the water charging in a plastic bucket 3 minutes every 6 hours for a week and 4 water filterings to remove scum, the cell is still not holding a charge but the water is the color of weak tea. I have a 1 cylinder 10 HP engine I cannot change the timing to 70% before top dead center. Will the Moe-Joe cell still operate it with protons as fuel?

Ok a few things here to address. First of all, I don\’t think it is protons that the moe joe cell provides. more like neutrinos, or some form of gas before Hydrogen or perhaps HHO.
I am still not 100% sure about that.
Another thing is that Stage 3 might be overrated.
If you do want to get stage 3 results, then try Bernie Heere\’s \”water cooking method.\”

Basically, you charge the heck out of your water for a few minutes – and i mean, full voltage, running like 2-3 amps. Please careful!!! That\’s high voltage and current.
Get the water HOT! Even close to boiling. Then unplug everything. let the water cool and filter. you get a lot of the impurities out this way and I found, whenever I\’d do that, that the water would go easily to stage 3 after that.

Some folks use lower voltage with KCl (potassium chloride salt) to increase current to 1amp.
this may be a secret. I\’ve played with it in the lab but not on an engine.
However, this way, you can achieve 1 amp current even with the 12 volt car battery.

if you begin hearing some weird timing, then you might have to adjust timing.
however, if you cannot, you\’ll just have to make do…
i do hope you can thin the fuel mixture though… to squeeze out more and more fuel until operating at optimal ratio of moe-joe cell fuel with regular fuel.
let me know how this goes.

blessings and Godspeed,
Moshe

[Moshe Daniel]

Alejandro Navarro wrote:

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Hi Moshe,

We\’re currently on the process of charging the cell. I would like to tell you how we have set up the charging process and what we\’re getting to make sure that we\’re doing things right and get an idea of how much we have left until the cell is properly charged.

Alejandro. I sincerely apologize.
For some reason, I missed this post.

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System

We\’re using Method #1. We\’re applying around 64 V which produced 1 Amp during the first charges. I have removed the amp-meter from the system now.
We apply this tension for 3 minutes, 6 times per day. We\’re using a digital timer to prevent overcharging or forgetting to charge.

We\’re using a good brand of spring water in Spain. It has low salts content.

Current state of the cell and the water

As of today we have been charging for 5 days.
When the charging circuit is on some come out of the top of the cell. No foam and no brown water is formed.

Bubbles have formed around the cell. The water has turned to some yellow/greenish color.

that\’s normal. It\’s due to impurities either in the water (more likely) or coming from the metal.

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The residual voltage of the cell is around 1.1 V, 3 hours after the last charge.

Some brown drops were leaking out of the bottom of the cell. I guess that is because of the oxidation of the threaded rod.

1.1 Volt residual voltage after 3 hours is good.
(you can also leave a D-cell 1.5 battery across the cell at all times as well, to hold this potential.)

are you charging the water in a car cell? I can see that is probably the case with the brown drops coming out of the bottom.

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Questions

Is our set up correct? Is there any adjustment we should do?

How long should we go on with this charging cycle? Do we use residual voltage as guidance?

Do we repeat the charging cycle with the same water o with new water? How many times?

Thank you in advance for your feedback and insights!

Having some pictures might be helpful too.
As far as I can \”see\” from reading about your practice, it sounds good.
Once you have charged the water and it is having bubbles that are really staying in the water, like there is an increased surface tension in the water, then you can charge less frequently, just to maintain that water charge.
Are you applying this cell to an engine? or just for healing purposes?

You do want to filter the water if it gets scummy.

[Moshe Daniel]

hi Fernando,
I am not at all familiar with Krishnamurti\’s writings. Could you share a few details of his work that you think might relate to inner alchemy, so we can get a better idea?

[Moshe Daniel]

When it gets dirty and the gunk is blocking the energy / orgone feeling of the water.

Can you send pics of your setup and water?

[Moshe Daniel]

How\’s the whole process feeling?

Do you sense an increase in the energy of the water?