Making the Initial water for the cell

[sha fur]

I just managed to acquire some parts for making a water recharging cell. I have most of the parts for the electrical part of the conditioning procedure and it seems I may have to *order* a capacitor. Moshe? You suggest a \”Capacitor of 450 uF (microfarads) and rated for at least 200 Volts.\” What lead you to the conclusion of making use of that particular capacitor with 450uf and +200 volts? Is it necessary to use one? What is the job of the capacitor in our particular situation?

[Moshe Daniel]

sha fur wrote:

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I just managed to acquire some parts for making a water recharging cell. I have most of the parts for the electrical part of the conditioning procedure and it seems I may have to *order* a capacitor. Moshe? You suggest a \”Capacitor of 450 uF (microfarads) and rated for at least 200 Volts.\” What lead you to the conclusion of making use of that particular capacitor with 450uf and +200 volts? Is it necessary to use one? What is the job of the capacitor in our particular situation?

Hey Sha Fur,

The capacitor is to smooth out the residue of AC ripple when you\’re using the bridge rectifier.
the value of 200volts is just a little overkill to make sure it covers the mains power voltage level.
The 450uf I really don\’t think has any significant value. it could be more or less. doesn\’t have to be exact.

Good luck!

[sha fur]

Thanks Moshe. I am going to see if I can get one in town today.

[Moshe Daniel]

Great. Let us know how it goes.

[Bryce Healy]

Possibly relevant to this thread but I happened to find a AC/DC power adapter at a salvation army shop, it\’s DC output is 12V and 150mA. I spliced the ends to moe-joe cell with aligator clips and powered it up using a surge protector for safe and easy on/off, connect/disconnect use.

It has a similar warmth and feel to when I use a 12V lantern battery and I haven\’t felt any weirdness to it. It also doesn\’t appear to have any negative effects for the bismuth core or spheres, likely because it\’s such a low amperage. Interestingly though when I measure the potential across the terminals it reads out consistently around 15-16V, 3-4 volts higher than the adapter output!

I am going to experiment with adding a ground wire to help filter any AC residue that maybe isn\’t noticeable but is still there. I\’m inspired to add a ground line from looking at some research with plants. A cut plant will have a much longer life span in a vase if a ground wire is added to it, because it will simulate a similar grounded/Earth connected environment for the plant to live in and allows for an electrical connection that the plant needs to live!

I know a moe-joe cell isn\’t a plant, but as a universal resonator/ oscillator it seems intuitive to give it a ground connection.

[Moshe Daniel]

Bryce Healy wrote:

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Possibly relevant to this thread but I happened to find a AC/DC power adapter at a salvation army shop, it\’s DC output is 12V and 150mA. I spliced the ends to moe-joe cell with aligator clips and powered it up using a surge protector for safe and easy on/off, connect/disconnect use.
It has a similar warmth and feel to when I use a 12V lantern battery and I haven\’t felt any weirdness to it.

it probably has a lot of capacitors to smooth out the ripple. nice. Very nice and safe too. 12 volts 150ma, you could probably put on your tongue. just kidding. i wouldn\’t try that but safer than using anything from the mains.

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It also doesn\’t appear to have any negative effects for the bismuth core or spheres, likely because it\’s such a low amperage. Interestingly though when I measure the potential across the terminals it reads out consistently around 15-16V, 3-4 volts higher than the adapter output!

i think that is standard for those types – like chargers will often charge at 14-15 too.

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I am going to experiment with adding a ground wire to help filter any AC residue that maybe isn\’t noticeable but is still there. I\’m inspired to add a ground line from looking at some research with plants. A cut plant will have a much longer life span in a vase if a ground wire is added to it, because it will simulate a similar grounded/Earth connected environment for the plant to live in and allows for an electrical connection that the plant needs to live!

I know a moe-joe cell isn\’t a plant, but as a universal resonator/ oscillator it seems intuitive to give it a ground connection.

the ground is an awesome idea. fresh supply of electrons from the Earth. love. feedback on it too.

[sha fur]

\”A cut plant will have a much longer life span in a vase if a ground wire is added to it, because it will simulate a similar grounded/Earth connected environment for the plant to live in and allows for an electrical connection that the plant needs to live!\”

Well, this is new information to me!! Thanks Bryce.

[sha fur]

Alrighty. I managed to pick up a couple different kinds of capacitors:

-140000uf 40v – I figure I can use this one, being careful to avoid exceeding 40v from the variac.
-820uf 200v – overkill but….. 😉

I now have all the components to get started making some water. Now, I just have to clean up one of the moejoe cells and start making the second one. The local university has all the fancy drilling tools and may be willing to assist me. Will be contacting them soon. I will keep everyone in the loop as I go. It will be slow, though. Heads up.

[sha fur]

Is the 2\” sphere also isolated from the threaded rod, along with all the rest of the spheres, in both the charging and the car cells, leaving just the bismuth core hooked up to the negative side of the power source? I am currently getting the charging cell hemispheres drilled at the university. I just finished watching a video and it looks like you used a locknut to hold the 2\” sphere in place which may also isolate the 2\” sphere.

[sha fur]

Is it still OK to us baking soda to increase amperage to water. Currently I have the variac cranked way up and getting <300ma. I read some information about using baking soda to increase amperage, and it was 4 years old. Just verifying it is OK to use baking soda.

Shane.

[Moshe Daniel]

sha fur wrote:

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Is it still OK to us baking soda to increase amperage to water. Currently I have the variac cranked way up and getting <300ma. I read some information about using baking soda to increase amperage, and it was 4 years old. Just verifying it is OK to use baking soda.

Shane.

Hey there Shane.
Good to hear from you.

First a few questions.
a) what water are you using?
b) you\’re using the mains through the variac, right? So when you say, it\’s cranked way up, you mean it\’s at basically zero resistance, correct?

I have a much higher preference for KCl – Potassium Chloride, over baking soda.

Moshe

[sha fur]

I am using structured, deionized, water and the variac is cranked up to at least 120 volts going into the Bridge rectifier. I\’m unsure exactly how many volts out of the bridge rectifier, but the amps is less than 300 milliamps. I am guessing there is resistance.

Potassium chloride. . . . .check.

[Moshe Daniel]

sha fur wrote:

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I am using structured, deionized, water and the variac is cranked up to at least 120 volts going into the Bridge rectifier. I\’m unsure exactly how many volts out of the bridge rectifier, but the amps is less than 300 milliamps. I am guessing there is resistance.

Deionized water is your problem.
It is the ions in water that bring conductivity to the water.
If you remove those ions, water becomes a highly resistant substance.
Use regular water, or water from a spring. It is alive and has ions.
At 120 volts, you\’ll be running at least 1 to 1.5 amps.

[sha fur]

I figured there may be a problem with that mostly unadulterated water. I filtered the water last night and the amperage went down to ~2-3ma. I know where there is some pretty fantastic water, for drinking. I will get some of it and use it instead of deionized water. Until I *do* get it, I will continue to try charging the current water. As soon as I get the new water, and start charging it, I will post info here. Thanks again, Moshe

[sha fur]

I picked up some spring water off a mountain and charging is now where it should be, 12 volts @ 1 amp. Much easier to get the amperage. Filtered the water once and been thinking of running it through activated charcoal next time, to clean it up even more. There is some little bubbles forming, an insignificant amount, yet, there is some.

[sha fur]

I am currently charging 6 times/day, for 3 minutes, using ~1 amp of power, +-100ma. Any tips on how often to filter the water?

[Moshe Daniel]

When it gets dirty and the gunk is blocking the energy / orgone feeling of the water.

Can you send pics of your setup and water?

[sha fur]

I can, and I will, later on this week.

[sha fur]

Here is my water prep setup. . .

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