got my moejoe today…first set up questions…

[Moshe Daniel]

Nancy Fimbres wrote:

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Hello, put my moejoe together, but having trouble figuring out the where the positive and negative leads go. I may be tired and seeing things, but I think I saw one moejoe with the negative lead out the bottom in a glass container with hole drilled with the positive lead on the top but on the same center post? I think that particular one did not make use of the off to the side post, it just had the center post. Then I saw one with the leads on the top two posts with the center being the positive lead and the off to the side post being the negative….then I saw the same set up on a different moejoe with the leads reversed. Are the terminals interchangeable? will it break anything if I put the leads on wrong? Is this all experimental case by case? What is the best set up for best feeling energy? I dont want to break my moejoe.

Absolutely DO NOT connect the +ve and -ve to the same bismuth core thread.
the +ve either goes to the outside of the 5\” sphere or to the inside threaded rod,
but never ever ever to both. I cannot anyone has else done so.

I have been playing more with the +ve to the inside threaded rod (ie to the 2\”) and the outside to the 5\”.
but you can try both and see what you like.

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Right now, I have my moejoe completely submerged in my glass bowl. I plan on drilling a hole soon but as of now, there is no hole. I will probably drill the hole when I filter the water. I have some of the diamond tip drill bits, for a regular drill, but the smallest one is just a bit too big. So I may have to put in an order. I also have a pretty strong Dremel. The one with the hanging motor and the handpiece…for carving stone. I may have some Dremel bits for glass but I have to look.

3/16\” diamond drill bit is best. haven\’t tried a dremel but you\’ll likely struggle a lot with that.

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I have the negative lead going to the bottom of the center post and the positive lead on top going to the off center post. I have the leads going to a 12v battery. There is nothing happening that I can tell, in the water. No bubbles, No fizz, nothing. Did I put the leads on wrong?

it sounds like the leads are OK.
do you know how much current you\’re using.
what sort of water did you use?

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Is that going to take longer to get charged water? I have another 12v battery but not sure how to wire that one in. I see that people are not running their moejoes all the time, but they are working with way more juice. What would the schedule be for a set up with one or two 12v batteries? Should I do off and on? Can I leave it on all the time? If I stick to dc 12v batteries, then I don\’t have to mess around with a rectifier? Are the 12v batteries a sure thing…or is there a big chance that it may never reach a stage 3?

you need to read more of the forums. these answers are available.

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Someone mentioned running an earth ground to the moejoe. I happen to have a thick copper wire rod stuck in the ground outside that I ran into my bedroom for grounding purposes and would like to know how to hook it up to my moejoe. Is it ground to negative on the moejoe, or the negative terminal on the battery, or just hanging in the water?

What did they say in their post? I have not done this in a long time.
I cannot say if it would do anyting at all.
you have to play with it.

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Also, someone mentioned adding \”ORMES\” to the water. I think that stands for orbitally rearranged monotomic elements? Like nanoparticles? Is that the same thing as colloidals?

no. not the same thing.

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I have a jar made of colloidals made from electrolyzing 14kt gold, fine silver, and I hooked that up to 4 or 5 9v batteries in a small jar. Can I pour some of that in? OR, were they referring to the white chalky looking stuff? Some people call it liquid ORMUS? If they dry that to a white powder then it is referred to as manna or shewbread? Don\’t have any on hand, but I do know how to make it. Is it ok to add one or the other or both?

you can play with these things and discover for yourself.
ORMEs – may give something. you\’ll have to sensitize yourself first to the regular cell feel, both for that and colloids, to see if it gives any difference.

Good luck to your mother.

Moshe

[Nancy Fimbres]

thank you for clarifying the pos and neg leads positions. I watched a video with the moejoe in a glass container with the two posts(I say one and two posts because when i look at the moejoe from one side I see two posts and the other side has one post)anyway, the video I watched may have had the center and outer posts facing down in the glass jar because the positive lead was clearly on only post on top. which would have to be the center post and I thought the center post was drilled through the glass jar and the glass somehow shielded it so the negative lead could be clamped to the bottom of the center post that stuck through the glass.

Some of the videos do not have great resolution and no complete explanation of the set up because they are short videos and maybe only are looking at a specific thing like bubble formation and movement. I see that there is a lot of room for different set up and experimentation with the number of spheres, volts, current, water, additives and polarity.

maybe a better question would be what NOT TO DO. when someone says they ruined their moejoe, fried, burned, \”moejoe was never the same\”…what is meant by that and what causes that? so I know not to do that….(like putting the + and – on the center post….even if it is on the other side of the glass. lol)

\”what is current? what kind of water?\”

I have about half amp of current. I have the 2 12v batteries available but as of yet have only hooked up one at a time. the water I used was from those 30 cent a gallon reverse osmosis machines that are outside grocery stores. for drinking, I start with that 30 cents/gallon water then I run it through a zero filter system. comes with a ppm meter so you can see it takes out all particulates including fluoride. so I took that twice filtered water then I swirled it in a vortexer I made. two glass (mickeys)40 ounce green bottles connected with one of those tornado in a jar deals that I put magnets on in n/s/n/s configuration AND a tensor ring that I made…thats the water I have in there now, but there is no action so far, just some air bubbles that are forming and sticking to the glass.

lets say that I decide to switch the leads position/polarity on not even stage 1 water. is it ok to switch around the leads or do i have to start with brand new water or just filter it?

\”earth ground…What did they say in their post?\”

…they didn\’t. only mentioned that it was very good for plants and made them last longer in a vase. it was something they were going to try but no set up details. I think the plant/vase set up would have to be making contact with the water so I think I will start there after I have the basics down and can charge up my water ok.

I heard somewhere that the first charge goes more smoothly if you run it for a bit with 3amps current. am I making things hard on myself with my 12v battery setup? I am trying to do this the easiest and fastest way. after my sweet mother recovers from surgery, I will have more time to experiment. thank you for your advice and thoughtfulness, moshe…

[Moshe Daniel]

Nancy Fimbres wrote:

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maybe a better question would be what NOT TO DO. when someone says they ruined their moejoe, fried, burned, \”moejoe was never the same\”…what is meant by that and what causes that? so I know not to do that….(like putting the + and – on the center post….even if it is on the other side of the glass. lol)

\”what is current? what kind of water?\”

if you\’re working with lower voltage, like 12-24 volts tops, you\’re probably good.
unless, for example, you left for the weekend with the 24Volts hooked up and you basically cooked the water and the steel of the spheres was etched because of the continual eating away of the metal. But that is not likely.
people mess up their cells if they leave it on 120V with a VARIAC plugged in through a bridge rectifyer circuit and running at 1amp or more.

Current is how much amperage is flowing.
Water, if it is relatively pure, like spring water from a spring, or a well, should be OK.
some people add electrolyte, like KOH or others mixes of salts, and THESE can also etch the steel.

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I have about half amp of current. I have the 2 12v batteries available but as of yet have only hooked up one at a time. the water I used was from those 30 cent a gallon reverse osmosis machines that are outside grocery stores. for drinking, I start with that 30 cents/gallon water then I run it through a zero filter system. comes with a ppm meter so you can see it takes out all particulates including fluoride. so I took that twice filtered water then I swirled it in a vortexer I made. two glass (mickeys)40 ounce green bottles connected with one of those tornado in a jar deals that I put magnets on in n/s/n/s configuration AND a tensor ring that I made…thats the water I have in there now, but there is no action so far, just some air bubbles that are forming and sticking to the glass.

OK I am happy you shared this.
the Reverse osmosis has actually quite a low electrolytic concentration.
however, if you\’re getting half an amp, ie 500mAs, that\’s quite high enough. MORE than enough to create a nice field from the moe-joe cell.
Do you feel anything?
When you say \”action\” do you mean like seeing lots of bubbles?
Those are not necessary when using the cell for meditation purposes.
I want you to CONFIRM the current is, in fact, 0.5Amps aka = 500mA.
If not, my hunch is that the RO is just too pure and not enough electrolytes.
PURE water has a very very high resistance, which would drop the current down to close to zero and you\’d have very little effect there.

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lets say that I decide to switch the leads position/polarity on not even stage 1 water. is it ok to switch around the leads or do i have to start with brand new water or just filter it?

you can just switch it up.
everything will just adjust to that after a little while. (I don\’t know how long.
Minutes? Hours? not sure)

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\”earth ground…What did they say in their post?\”

…they didn\’t. only mentioned that it was very good for plants and made them last longer in a vase. it was something they were going to try but no set up details. I think the plant/vase set up would have to be making contact with the water so I think I will start there after I have the basics down and can charge up my water ok.

I heard somewhere that the first charge goes more smoothly if you run it for a bit with 3amps current. am I making things hard on myself with my 12v battery setup? I am trying to do this the easiest and fastest way. after my sweet mother recovers from surgery, I will have more time to experiment. thank you for your advice and thoughtfulness, moshe…

What I found to get GOOD BUBBLEs (which is not necessarily needed in going healing / meditation route) is –
Run the Cell for a few minutes at HIGH current.
This is DANGEROUS. So be careful! PLEASE!!
Do not touch the metal when doing this.

by HIGH current, you\’ll need 1 to 3 AMPS.
1 amp is already HIGH!
3 AMPS is ridiculously high and overkill.
This is Bernie Heere\’s method to prep the water.
First, you\’ve got to make sure you have enough electrolytes in the water.
So verify the current is in fact 0.5 maps, and not, for example, 0.5 milliamps or something
really low like that.
Then, if you want to try this, you\’ll have to create a small circuit like this –

check this out here – explains it.
https://www.moe-joe-working.com/moe_joe_cell_charging.html#method1
You\’ll need a VARIAC and to plug in to the mains. DANGEROUS. Remember that.
And it\’s not necessary for healing / consciousness.

You\’ll see a lot of activity. a lot of bubbles.
let the water get hot. not too hot.
if you see steaming, stop.
then let it cool, filter it.
next time, when you run, just run it at 1 AMP and you\’ll see beautiful bubble formation.
Stage 2 or Stage 3.

Now, here\’s a key pointer for what you want to do –
When you plug it in to the 12V or 24V battery set up,
go into meditation, STILL your MIND, get into the MIND of STILL MAGNETIC LIGHT of God\’s PEACE, (Walter Russell style) and hold in your Mind to CHARGE the water.
the moe-joe cell will enhance the field of your mind and the water will hold the intention.
KNOW your mom is healing. See your mom healing. And So it is.

tons of LOVE
Moshe